Two AA Hands

[BZ_Zorro]

Two hands that have been bothering me.

Hand 1: Villain is 18/2 after 80 hands, seems like a good player postflop, he knows what he's doing but will make moves against weakness.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 ($188.25)
CO ($179.9)
Button ($243.75)
SB ($184.7)
BB ($159.65)
UTG ($87.1)
UTG+1 ($23.3)
UTG+2 ($88.85)
Hero ($98.5)
MP2 ($101.5)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5. UTG posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG (poster) checks.

Flop: ($3.50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, MP3 calls $3, UTG folds.

Turn: ($9.50) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, MP3 calls $4.

River: ($17.50) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12.

Final Pot: $41.50

I didn't bet more on the turn because I sensed strength (he's not calling the pot on a flush draw), and a rivered two pair is a good outcome for me (say KJ, AJ, JT, etc), so there's not many scary cards to come on the river.

How would you play that river?

Hand 2: Villain had doubled up against a big stack two hands ago, and lost it all again to the same player next hand with trips AQ vs fh Q7, so he was fuming like crazy.

I knew I'd get a call with just about anything if I put him all in, and $30 seemed OK profit for an AA hand. When I got quads I thought that maybe I'd played this hand badly and should have flat called/raised less and allowed another one or two into the pot. Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 ($250.53)
MP2 ($33.68)
CO ($107.45)
Button ($26.62)
Hero ($206)
BB ($90.9)
UTG ($331.85)
UTG+1 ($100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $59.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $28.68 (All-In).

Flop: ($95.68) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($95.68) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($95.68) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $95.68

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP2 has Tc Td (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has Ac As (four of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $95.68. </font>

[Snag]

Limping with AA is the worst idea anyone's ever had in cash games.

You can't put him on anything.

Fold preflop if you're not going to raise.

[xorbie]

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Open limping in MP without a maniac behind you with AA is the worst idea anyone's ever had in cash games.

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FYP.

[BZ_Zorro]

Explain to me how this is different to limping AJ/QJs in MP and seeing that flop, with the turn coming an A instead of Q. (i.e. you can beat any two pair but not trips, set, straight or flush)

Knowing he wouldn't call the pot on a flush draw, how much credit do you give him on the river? Would you lead out/raise here?

[soah]

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Never open limping with AA is the worst idea anyone's ever had in cash games.

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FYP.

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FYP

[xorbie]

Because AJ needs to improve on a flop to see a showdown, AA does not.

[xorbie]

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FYP

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? What does this have to do with open liming in MP? I disagree that playing at this level, with people you will never see again, that anything but raising here is near optimal.

[BZ_Zorro]

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Because AJ needs to improve on a flop to see a showdown, AA does not.

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Yes, AA is a made hand etc etc. My PFR% for AA is 94%, so I get it.

What I meant was the turn and river action - how is that interpreted? How would you play it differently?

In other words, get over the limping of AA and give me an answer damnit! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[xorbie]

Hand one bet more on turn or check call. Hand two I like.