Need PostFlop Advice. Lost My Bankroll today.

[HddnR]

I just read and need to reread SSHE. I feel I have the Starting Hands down fairly well. My postflop play aches though. I dropped $150 today playing 1/2 then 2/4. This is the last hand of the Day. Would you please offer advice on how this could have been handle better. Also, what is the best way to anaylze my hand history?

Thanks in Advance.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

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not play 1/2 and 2/4 when you only have $150

[ClaytonN]

Those are the breaks

Seriously though, if your bankroll was $150 and you were playing 1/2 and 2/4, then you deserve to lose it, to some extent. Always practice using a 300BB bankroll or higher.

And if your postflop play aches, drop down to .5/1. You will get torn up in the 2/4 games.

And the hand you played was fine. You likely got owned by a set turned full house, but those are the breaks.

[UncleSalty]

Welcome to the forums man, I'd say you are almost exactly where I was about 7 months ago.

I switched from NL to limit in November after reading SSH. I started at $2/$4 with about $150 and ran it up to $900 in 2 weeks, followed by losing it all the following weekend.

Needless to say, I had some SERIOUS misinterpretations of the post-flop section of the book, and it wasn't until I found the forums that I started getting my game straightened out.

Take a look at the FAQ at the top of the forums and buy yourself a copy of PokerTracker RIGHT NOW. Download it and install it, and do not start playing again until you have it up and running.

You need about 300 BB in your bankroll to survive normal downswings due to variance, so if you are going to reload w/ $150, you shouldn't start any higher than $.25/$.50.

Stick around and contribute your opinion's to other people's hand questions. You will be crushing the game in a few months.

Good luck.

[Aaron W.]

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I dropped $150 today playing 1/2 then 2/4.

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I dropped $150 today playing 1/2 then 2/4.

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[VBM]

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Would you please offer advice on how this could have been handle better.

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like others have said, keep a bankroll of 300 BB. If you are a decent-excellent post-flop player, and you're not multi-tabling too heavily, you can probably get away with 200. If you're less than decent, you may actually want 400; the extra for cushioning purposes. also start with .5/1. 1/2 is a brutal game to start/learn/get confidence in.

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Also, what is the best way to anaylze my hand history?

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get PokerTracker, set it up to auto-import your hands. best $55(?) you'll ever have spent.

[evans075]

How did you get used to 1/2. I've been BW'ing since Jan. building my bankroll and I've almost got enough for 2/4. I've played about 2k hands at 1/2 but can't win at it. .5/1 on the other hand I'm killing. A friend of mine that is now at 3/6 told me that 2/4 is a bit looser than 1/2 so once I get my bank to 300BB for 2/4 should I go ahead to it or grind out 1/2 and win there first? How did everone else do in there transition of moving up?

[bottomset]

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How did you get used to 1/2. I've been BW'ing since Jan. building my bankroll and I've almost got enough for 2/4. I've played about 2k hands at 1/2 but can't win at it. .5/1 on the other hand I'm killing. A friend of mine that is now at 3/6 told me that 2/4 is a bit looser than 1/2 so once I get my bank to 300BB for 2/4 should I go ahead to it or grind out 1/2 and win there first? How did everone else do in there transition of moving up?

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if you can't beat 1/2 you won't likely beat 2/4

[Stinkybeaver]

I to have a br for 2/4, but I decided that I'll go play some 1/2 until I figure it out. I definately think it is beatable, however not for the same winrate as 0,5/1,0 at all.

[Jakesta]

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I dropped $150 today playing 1/2 then 2/4.

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F.Y.P

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I should not laugh at this post. But I couldn't help it.

[JDErickson]

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if you can't beat 1/2 you won't likely beat 2/4

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And forget 3/6

[VBM]

i think i've probably mentioned this before, but you 1/2 has distinctive player types and fewer nimrods. they become more distinctive, in terms of rocks, mice, etc...

1. value-bet the living hell out of loose-passives, who call down 2nd &amp; 3rd pair and heedlessly chase draws.
2. when tight-passives get gonzo on you, proceed with caution.
3. learn to run over tight-passives.
4. in general, tailor your play more towards "Villain(s)"
5. observe your opponents' and adjust accordingly. 7/1/1.00 open raises from UTG? uh, fold, unless you've got something juicy. 50/50/5.00 open raises from MP2? if you've got something worth cold-calling, try 3-betting and getting him to yourself.

and 2k hands? no one becomes an expert overnight; winning play at progressively higher levels takes time to mature. play more, review sessions, post, take notes. and go out and kick some butt!

--oj.

[MrEngenic]

He usually has either a Q with a worse kicker, maybe 5 or 7 though, or pocket 5's or 7's. Depending on your read, bet/call or check/call the river. Don't 3-bet if raised, just call.

[Jakesta]

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He usually has either a Q with a worse kicker, maybe 5 or 7 though, or pocket 5's or 7's. Depending on your read, bet/call or check/call the river. Don't 3-bet if raised, just call.

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This turn must be 3bet.

[oreogod]

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I dropped $150 today playing 1/2 then 2/4.

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You're going to need a lot more advice then that.

That's not a bankroll. Now Im going to go read how many times ppl told u that so far.

If u only have 150, start out at .25/.50 and build up. Move to .50/1.00 once u hit 300, 1/2 once u hit 600...and on and on and on.

[oreogod]

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I shot my wad today playing 1/2 then 2/4. This was after banging two chicks at once while doing 4 lines of coke. I thought I understood SSHE, guess not.

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F.Y.P

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F.Y.P

PS. The nonsensical-ness of the above is in kahoots with the nonsensical-ness of OPs post/line-of-thinking.

[aK13]

Why is there no line for the river?

And if you lose at 1/2, why are you going to higher limits?

[KeysrSoze]

1. Play 2/4 with closer to 1500 than 150.

2. 3 bet turn. When he caps he's basically saying "3 queens don't scare me". check/call or bet/call river, depending on how maniacal your read on him is.

[HddnR]

Everyone Thank You for the advice. Now, I understand that I need a larger bankroll then I thought I needed. I was playing at too high a level to start and to make it worse, in a moment of insanity, I went and played an even higher level then I was ready for.

Here is the plan of action. Deposit $100 play .05/.10 until I can build to $200 then play .25/.50 untill I can build to $400. Then try my hand at 1/2 at $800. I downloaded PokerTracker to review and analyze my hands. Will read the forum, Reread SSHE and read other books. This should be a nice, long, slow learning process.

Thank You.

[HddnR]

I dunno why there is no line at the river. I think the converter leaves it out so the world will not end.

Insanity is the reason I moved up. I think the reasoning was just catch a few pots and get back to even. I thought I had it on this hand and got beat and took to $0.

Learning is Fun!

[diebitter]

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Deposit $100 play .05/.10 until I can build to $200 then play .25/.50 untill I can build to $400.

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The usual quoted figure for a BR for a reasonable player is 300BB, so you'd only need $30 to play .05/.10

You might want to invest the rest in tools/books to help improve. Tools would be pokertracker, and books you sound like you know what to read.

If you want to practice without real money, don't bother with the play tables, but maybe try turbo texas holdem with the sidewinder sid add-on (haven't tried it myself, but the many testimonials on the turbo texas holdem convinces me it's a very useful tool for game improvement - I've got mine on order).

Try that, and if you lose your $30, you got a lot more studying to do. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[McGahee]

Dumbest question ever...
How do you use pokertracker? These stats on villians that everyone has - do you get them from PT or is that something else?

[Jakesta]

You get them from PT.

You have to import hand histories into PokerTracker. If you play on Party, this is easy to do, because you can just click Import on the first tab and go into C:\Program Files\Party Poker and import all the hand histories that way. Then you can look at everyone's stats, including your own.