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raisethatmofo

06-12-2005, 07:51 PM

PoBoy321

06-12-2005, 07:54 PM

Lots of people win the lottery, too.

soah

06-12-2005, 07:54 PM

I decided to read your post under the mistaken belief that you intended to make some effort at justifying the claim you made in the title.

dtbog

06-12-2005, 07:58 PM

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wtfsvi

06-12-2005, 08:03 PM

I once, two days ago actually, tilted away $1000 at the NL$100 to a total fish. I mean, his play was so bad that losing 10 buyins to him was really an achievement. Anyway, as new players/fish joined the table, they all assumed (out loud) that he was very good, and his bets recieved lots of respect from them.

Meh, where's the point of the story? Oh yes: 3,5Xbuyin stack does not mean the player has to be good. And you are a fish for thinking that it does /images/graemlins/grin.gif

And I'm a fish too. At least marked as one in some buddy lists after that night /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

elus2

06-12-2005, 08:20 PM

i've switched my game from vpip of 30-35 and pfr of 12-15 to 22/4 this week and have logged in 6k hands. i seem to be able to make the same amount of money, face fewer critical decisions, encounter less variance. i am currently 4 tabling and am confident that i can add maybe 2 more tables without affecting winrate much.

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06-12-2005, 08:21 PM

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06-12-2005, 08:43 PM

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Sephus

06-13-2005, 12:10 AM

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I once, two days ago actually, tilted away $1000 at the NL$100 to a total fish. I mean, his play was so bad that losing 10 buyins to him was really an achievement. Anyway, as new players/fish joined the table, they all assumed (out loud) that he was very good, and his bets recieved lots of respect from them.

Meh, where's the point of the story? Oh yes: 3,5Xbuyin stack does not mean the player has to be good. And you are a fish for thinking that it does /images/graemlins/grin.gif

And I'm a fish too. At least marked as one in some buddy lists after that night /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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i think i was one of the new players who assumed out loud that he was good. i was just kidding around /images/graemlins/smile.gif

when i see someone with a huge stack i naturally assume that they're really loose.

A-Baum

06-13-2005, 12:18 AM

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That's exactly what I'm trying to do. I have finally learned to stop making marginal calls preflop that put me in bad situations post flop.

My biggest leak is playing a hand like AJ on a 2 4 7 board when I raised 4xBB and got one caller. I have no idea how to play those hands. Wish I could figure it out.

jonnyUCB

06-13-2005, 01:54 AM

learn to read the flop - how many hands hit a 2 4 7 flop (this is an obvious bet, as is something like 22J, etc), as well as your opponents betting patterns. When playing short you should get a feel for what your opponent bets, folds, and raises.

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06-13-2005, 03:08 AM

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06-13-2005, 04:04 AM

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wtfsvi

06-13-2005, 08:38 AM

You were there? Seriously? You shouldave told me to go to bed /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Now I know your screen-name, I'll hunt you down just like I did that guy, and he felt it all right! /images/graemlins/cool.gif (Based on appearing knowledgeable and not weak tight in posts, I'm quite certain who you were if you were at the table.)

djoyce003

06-13-2005, 09:53 AM

we talking 6 max or full ring? I'd agree in principle on full ring here that i'd player uber tight...in 6 max I think you have to loosen it up a bit.

xorbie

06-13-2005, 09:56 AM

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This used to be a leak of mine too. There are really only two pieces of advice I can give you. One is don't go too crazy against players who are either playing back at you a lot or are calling stations (i.e. use your reads). The second is mix it up a lot. Don't make continuation bets every time you hit the flop. Check fold some times, or check behind. Not only will this let you occasionally get a free card, but it even lets you (a) check flops when you hit them very hard (like a set) or (b) bluff at a turn A when you raise with something like TJs and get called and check behind.

Sephus

06-13-2005, 10:57 AM

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Now I know your screen-name, I'll hunt you down just like I did that guy, and he felt it all right! /images/graemlins/cool.gif (Based on appearing knowledgeable and not weak tight in posts, I'm quite certain who you were if you were at the table.)

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was it this guy?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO ($283.52)
Button ($304.91)
SB ($602.78)
Hero ($209.7)
UTG ($98.68)
MP ($73)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
2 folds, CO calls $1, Button raises to $4, SB (poster) raises to $6.5, 1 fold, CO calls $6, Button raises to $40, SB calls $33, CO folds.

Flop: ($88) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $300, Button calls $264.91 (All-In).

Turn: ($652.91) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($652.91) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $652.91

Results in white below: 
SB has 4c 4s (three of a kind, fours).
Button has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: SB wins $652.91.

wtfsvi

06-13-2005, 12:04 PM

Yes, that is exactly the guy. And that play was not stupid at all on my part compared to some of the tilting things I did against this dude (even though it was still stupid):

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($99)
BB ($558.1)
UTG ($106.55)
MP ($95)
Button ($82.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
3 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $15, Hero raises to $40, BB calls $25.

Turn: ($88) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $15, Hero calls $55 (All-In), BB calls $40.

River: ($198) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $198

Results in white below: 
Hero has 5s Ks (one pair, kings).
BB has Qc Jc (straight, king high).
Outcome: BB wins $198. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($89.7)
UTG ($251.85)
Button ($105.25)
SB ($59.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $8, Hero raises to $25, UTG raises to $100, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $133.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. UTG wins $133.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($99)
BB ($660.45)
UTG ($7.65)
Button ($162.7)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
2 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($10) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $9, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($28) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $85, Hero calls $85 (All-In).

River: ($198) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $198

Results in white below: 
Hero has 6c 6d (two pair, nines and sixes).
BB has Kh Ac (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: BB wins $198. 

The hand below was my first hand with him. I was allready on semitilt before it (which one can probably read into my play), but this hand just pushed me over the edge (this can, not just "probably", be read into my play of the above mentioned hands. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif) When the KK hand (that you pasted, last at the table for me) came, and he min-reraised preflop, I was so focused on taking all of my away-tilted money back in one hand, that I completely forgot to consider what was going on on the flop. The KK hand put me off tilt again though, luckily.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($95)
Hero ($111.35)
BB ($112.2)
UTG ($104.6)
MP ($75.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
3 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BB raises to $15, Hero calls $108.35 (All-In), BB calls $95.35.

Turn: ($222.70) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($222.70) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $222.70

Results in white below: 
Hero has 2s 3s (flush, queen high).
BB has 6s Qh (flush, queen high).
Outcome: BB wins $222.70. 

Man, this is the most pissed off I've ever been over a hand. It would be fine if his king just plain held up, or if he had A /images/graemlins/spade.gifK /images/graemlins/heart.gif or something, but man! Haha, well /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Not to mention I payed you off (after I limped from the CO /images/graemlins/tongue.gif) with KK when you obviously had AA. You've started showing up at my tables an awful lot. Is it just a coincidence (as in we have similar table selection rutines), or am I in your buddy list? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sephus

06-13-2005, 12:44 PM

that guy was so bad, though, i might have been pissed off enough to call that with KK.

he got me too:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($85)
BB ($372.76)
UTG ($487.48)
Hero ($193.6)
CO ($433.07)
Button ($364)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 3 folds, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($12.50) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $12, Hero raises to $40, BB folds, UTG calls $28.

Turn: ($92.50) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $90, Hero calls $149.60 (All-In), UTG calls $59.60.

River: ($391.70) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $391.70

Results in white below: 
UTG has Qd Td (flush, queen high).
Hero has 5d 4d (flush, nine high).
Outcome: UTG wins $391.70. 

as for why i'm showing up everywhere, we're probably both looking to join the same tables.

wtfsvi

06-13-2005, 12:48 PM

It would be all right if he had AK? I mean AQ of course.

Yeah, anyway. Good luck to you. And stay off my tables /images/graemlins/smile.gif

jkkkk

06-13-2005, 01:08 PM

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BB has 6s Qh (flush, queen high).
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hahahaha this cracked me up, nice hand sir. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

elus2

06-13-2005, 04:19 PM

not for 25nl 6max. in general, the players aren't observant enough to warrant playing looser. tight/aggressive abc poker gets you money with less variance. i play that way until i get a read versus specific opponents and adjust accordingly after.