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King Yao
06-12-2005, 07:26 PM
Playing multiple shorthanded games is tough. A great advantage that good shorthanded players have is their ability to identify how their opponents play and adjusting their own play accordingly. When playing multiple games, this is tougher because the player’s attention is divided among more than one table. When the player is not involved in a hand at one table, he will have less time to observe the players play because there is a higher chance he will be involved in a hand at a different table. It may still be possible to observe his opponents over just two tables, but with three or four shorthanded tables going at the same time, it becomes difficult to pay attention to all players. This essay focuses on playing three or four shorthanded tables at the same time and how to adjust to minimize the disadvantage of not being able to observe the other players carefully.

It is important to understand that playing multiple shorthanded games a good player will not be playing at his best at all tables. A good player will not have all the information about the other players that he would otherwise have picked up. A good player must expect his win expectancy to decrease per table when playing multiple tables; but a good player who can handle multiple shorthanded games can expect his total expectation of all tables combined exceeds his expectation if he only played at one table at a time. Since the good player will surely miss some clues at some tables, he should adjust by acknowledging that disadvantage and focus on how to maximize at all tables as a whole instead. Not all good shorthanded players will be able to beat multiple games due to the speed of the games and the quickly changing tables. The first step is to identify your own strengths and weaknesses.

Here are some of the different ways a good shorthanded player should play when playing three or four shorthanded games compared to just one or two.

1. Play straightforward more often.
2. Give other players’ bets and raises more respect.
3. Don’t bother with pot odds until you have to.
4. Don’t semi-bluff as often.
5. Don’t worry about identifying players too carefully. Just identify them generally.
6. Don’t bother with carefully reading hands until you have to.

Play straightforward more often
Play straightforward at all tables when playing multiple tables. Tricky play requires more attention to each hand than straightforward play requires. Since you have less time to observe the tables when you are not involved in a hand, you will probably know less about each individual player than you would if you were only playing at one table.

Give other players’ bets and raises more respect
Since your attention is divided, it will be more difficult to identify who the semi-bluffers and bluffers are with the same degree of accuracy. If you don’t give players more respect when they bet or raise, it is too easy to get into the problem of thinking all players are constant semi-bluffers or bluffers. This will cause problems over all tables. Of course, if you can identify the habitual semi-bluffers/bluffers (either from the observed play in this session or from previous sessions), then you can play accordingly. By giving players more respect, you will lose some edge compared to when you are playing at a single table. This is one of the edges that you may have at a single table but is difficult to duplicate when playing at multiple tables.

Don’t bother with pot odds until you have to
I think it is worthwhile to count the pot when the bets go into the pot, even in hands you are not involved in. By counting the pot and knowing the pot odds, you will have a better idea of how to act when the situation comes up instead of stopping the game a bit to count the pot at the moment. You also have the advantage of understanding who is making a pot odds mistake and who isn’t. This is great if you are playing at one table only. But in multiple tables, this will be too difficult. So it is not worthwhile to use your mental energy until you have to. In situations when you have to know the pot odds to make a decision, take the time to think through the pot odds and the outs at that point. You will lose some edge that you may have in single tables, but this is another issue where giving up some edge in this area will benefit the bottom line.

Don’t semi-bluff as often
Semi-bluffing requires you know your opponent has a chance of folding a better hand. If you semi-bluff against opponents who won’t fold a better hand, you are spewing chips and losing edge. When playing multiple tables, it will be more difficult to know how your opponents play, so you will have a more difficult time knowing when a semi-bluff has more value.

Don’t worry about identifying players too carefully. Just identify them generally.
Identifying players has been mentioned throughout this section. Without the time to concentrate on any single table, it is more difficult to identify how the players play. So instead of trying to identify them in very specific ways (such as: Bob will always call down with Ace high if he was the pre-Flop raiser), try to identify them in very general ways. General identifications would be: calling station, too aggressive, and solid player.

Don’t bother with carefully reading hands until you have to
Reading hands take time and concentration. You need to know the players as well as know the exact actions they have taken relative to the board. So don’t bother with reading hands when you aren’t involved in the hand. And don’t worry as much about reading hands early in the hand (pre-Flop and Flop) unless it is crucial. Of course, you will have to recap everything near the end of the hand (Turn and River) and do a “flashback” read. But you will have saved time by dismissing some of the issues mentioned above, so you will have the time to think things through at this moment.

chezlaw
06-12-2005, 08:02 PM
7. Play tighter. Avoid awkward small +ev hands pre-flop. They can easily switch to -ev if you have bad reads. Give yourself more space to read hands/players and concentrate on important situations.

chez

King Yao
06-12-2005, 08:03 PM
nice addition

juggernaut
06-12-2005, 08:29 PM
Nice post. Thanks Yao.

mungpo
06-12-2005, 08:34 PM
Nice post. This is what I do when I play 4+ tables.

sethypooh21
06-12-2005, 08:49 PM
8. Note taking/PV GT+ becomes more important.

Quick reads are important, and it's always nice to have the little "N" icon pop up when a new player sits down so you can say "Ah yes, this is that maniac/rock/fish that I vaguely remember from two weeks ago". I find this makes a HUGE difference, especially with river play. (As is one player who I hadn't seen in a month or so for whom the note "Bets the river HU first to act 100%" saved me some fairly large pots.)

Great post Yao (just like your book...it's so good, I ordered a second copy to give away as a bonus to the winner of my next tourney!)

King Yao
06-12-2005, 08:51 PM
what does PV/GT+ mean?

(thanks for the nice compliments)

sethypooh21
06-12-2005, 08:55 PM
Playerview, GameTime + (overlayed stats programs)

King Yao
06-12-2005, 08:57 PM
Thanks. I received a private message with the same suggestion. I need to look into those.

hicherbie
06-12-2005, 09:49 PM
good post, thanks for the thoughts.

stripsqueez
06-13-2005, 04:57 AM
i dont like the idea of knowingly compromising your edge - i accept that playing multiple tables you will lose a part of that edge but i would rather play with the expectation that i'm not

pot odds simply isnt an issue - if your good enough to beat 3-4 games of short handed at once the simple math involved in pot odds shouldnt trouble you

a cynical view would be that the way you reccomend playing is the handbook of the weak tight - ie play straight forward, get scared when they raise, dont bluff much

when i first started multi tabling full time i hit a horrible patch after about 1 month - i spent some time contemplating my game after that concerned that the increase in the amount i played had contributed significantly to my horrible patch - after going over some stats of that period and with the benfit of several months hindsight i finally identified some things that were different - i stole less pots which for me is the pinnacle of table awareness - i also came to the view that i became way to predictable and you cant expect to beat a mid/high limit short handed game for any decent amount playing that way

like any good game pride cometh before a fall in poker - i figured i was so much better than the average punter (which i am) that i could maintain a decent win rate playing 5-6 tables at once - i still play 4-5 tables of mid/high short handed at once but i dont usually play for more than 3-4 hours at a time and as soon as my interest drifts i wander off to play some NL sng's or draw or omaha or cook dinner

i think the bottom line is simply that you have to learn poker while you play it or your dead in the water

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

Luzion
06-13-2005, 05:15 AM
thanks for this very nice and well organized post. gave me lots of things to think about.

King Yao
06-13-2005, 07:57 AM
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i dont like the idea of knowingly compromising your edge - i accept that playing multiple tables you will lose a part of that edge but i would rather play with the expectation that i'm not

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This will sound cynical - but - are you saying you'd rather fool yourself? I don't follow this.

The rest of your post is interesting, I'll have to think about that a bit.

chezlaw
06-13-2005, 08:48 AM
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i dont like the idea of knowingly compromising your edge - i accept that playing multiple tables you will lose a part of that edge but i would rather play with the expectation that i'm not

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This will sound cynical - but - are you saying you'd rather fool yourself? I don't follow this.


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There's a lot to be said for continuing to push every edge even though you know your skills are compromised by multi-tabling. Keep trying and gradually youe ability to make the edges pay increases.

I know I compromised a lot to multi-table profitably. I felt I had to do so because I really struggled with multi-tabling for a long time. Now I'm fairly comfortable with 4 tables I'm gradually trying to play correctly again.

I suspect it would have been more efficient just to go for it hell for leather from the begining and trusted on it all working out. Of course I may have gone bust on the way.

chez

King Yao
06-13-2005, 08:54 AM
I see. If that's what stripsqueez meant, then that definitely makes sense. Thanks

chezlaw
06-13-2005, 08:55 AM
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I see. If that's what stripsqueez meant, then that definitely makes sense. Thanks

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