Bubble aggression

[durron597]

Opponent had been playing pretty tight. Standard 50/30/20 payout.

Edit: FWIW, if it is correct to do this it is correct to do it with 72o. I make this play purely based on stack sizes. But I think it's wrong now.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t6295)
UTG (t3580)
Button (t1455)
SB (t2170)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t400</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t200.

Flop: (t675) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t5870</font>,

[treeofwisdom7]

huh. no this is a fold. i think ..

but in my past 30 games ive gotten 3rd- 7 2nd- 5 1st- 0
maybe this is a small sample but i think im making mistakes on the bubble.

when you guys go ITM are you usually the shortest stack?

[Shilly]

I don't like this very much. Yes, it's very possible that the opponent missed, but why push? It seems like overkill--if he has you beat, you're going to lose more chips, if he folds, he folds to most raises. Why not just raise 3 or 4 times his bet?

[lastchance]

Fancy. I don't do this without reads. Lead the flop and pick it up.

[curtains]

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Opponent had been playing pretty tight. Standard 50/30/20 payout.

Edit: FWIW, if it is correct to do this it is correct to do it with 72o. I make this play purely based on stack sizes. But I think it's wrong now.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t6295)
UTG (t3580)
Button (t1455)
SB (t2170)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t400</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t200.

Flop: (t675) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t5870</font>,

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allin not necessary against most opponents. Raising to 800 should almost always do the trick if allin will.

[durron597]

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allin not necessary against most opponents. Raising to 800 should almost always do the trick if allin will.

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And obviously I fold to a push?

[jcm4ccc]

I think you need to think about the future, when the blinds go up and you are going to start bullying the table. I would say when the blinds hit 150/300 would be a good time to start doing that. As such, I wouldn't squander my chips on A5. I would fold preflop. You want to have enough chips that you don't much fear being called and losing.

Unless you want to start bullying now. You could put the UTG all-in preflop. But a minraise from UTG against the big stack should worry you a bit.

[Shilly]

Yes.

[durron597]

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I would say when the blinds hit 150/300 would be a good time to start doing that

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This is on Stars. Blind levels are 100/200/a25 like they are now, next level is 5 minutes from now 200/400/a25. I've been bullying since 75/150 (and 100/200/no ante).

[durron597]

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Yes.

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That wasn't the point. How big does his hand have to be to push over me there? I guess pretty big himself because I might have the real hand like A3 or something.

[Shilly]

I would guess a pair of jacks with a decent kicker (which he probably has, considering the PF raise), or better.

[lastchance]

I'd think your standard stuff. Jack or 3. Any 3's coming over the top, I think AJ-QJ are thinking you might have a lower jack, (or stone cold bluffing).

Even though I might fold QJ there (I don't think I'm that good enough), most people probably won't.

[curtains]

Of course I fold to a push. However I believe that there are very few hands where they will push yet will have folded to an allin. There are some probably, but not enough to put 2000+ more chips at risk.

[The Yugoslavian]

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allin not necessary against most opponents. Raising to 800 should almost always do the trick if allin will.

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Yes....that is exactly what I was talking about. Your stacks are too deep for an allin there...

Yugoslav

[durron597]

He had pocket kings, called and doubled through me.

Of course he made the right decision, I'm just wondering how to figure out when the right time to try to get #2 stack to fold because of the bubble is. I figure if I raise more then he doesn't think his whole stack is at risk the times he has a weak hand that's stronger than mine.

[lastchance]

Stars tourney are a lot more about playing postflop and playing good poker than bubble concepts me thinks. I have a very hard time applying bubble concepts at L3, sometimes L4. You just got to play good 4-handed poker.

And this board is certainly stabbable, but no way you want to lose your stack here.

[gumpzilla]

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I figure if I raise more then he doesn't think his whole stack is at risk the times he has a weak hand that's stronger than mine.

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That's not true. Look at it from his perspective. Let's say you're calling off 1/4 of your stack or so to a flop c/r. Don't you think most of the time in this situation you can expect the checkraiser to fire again on the turn? Calling on the flop is generally going to indicate more willingness than average to play this hand for his stack. There are exceptions, but I think that's the basic idea. Any respectably sized c/r that he calls here is going to represent pretty serious strength, likely enough of a hand to call a push. With the sizes of the relative stacks here, pushing is bad because the extra folding power that it gives you (not much) is counterbalanced by the vastly increased amount that you lose when he happens to have a hand.