Standard play... right?

[Bigwig]

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BB (t1569)
UTG (t965)
MP (t2905)
Hero (t2209)
SB (t2352)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2209 (All-In)

[Shilly]

Really read-dependent. I'm not a huge fan of getting my chips in here, even if you are a 60% favorite. You can fold and find a better spot than this.

[curtains]

I would usually fold.

[deathpotato]

UTG minraised off 2/3 of his stack, which should be very scary unless he's silly enough to make an apparent trapping raise to gain fold equity in a 55. I fold almost always.

[1C5]

See, this is a good question.

I posted a hand kind of like this before.

I guess it depends on the read and your stack size. Usually I fold this just because of the stack sizes and strength of the hand but in that thread it was said I was too tight here.

I need to learn more about this play, when to fold and when to come over the top.

What do you do with 22 here? 66? 88?

[1C5]

Plus like said, everytime someone raises instead of pushing when they only have a few chips left, they have a monster.

(thats what it seems to me anyway)

[Shilly]

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See, this is a good question.

I posted a hand kind of like this before.

I guess it depends on the read and your stack size. Usually I fold this just because of the stack sizes and strength of the hand but in that thread it was said I was too tight here.

I need to learn more about this play, when to fold and when to come over the top.

What do you do with 22 here? 66? 88?

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Definitely fold 22, 50/50 between pushing and folding with 66, and definitely pushing 88.

[Bigwig]

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UTG minraised off 2/3 of his stack, which should be very scary unless he's silly enough to make an apparent trapping raise to gain fold equity in a 55. I fold almost always.

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I've noticed a trend of players doing this to try and suggest that they have a huge hand when they don't. I've since decided that I would treat a raise like this as an all-in.

Curtains--why fold? Isn't UTG's range well behind A8o? And with the blind money, I'm getting good pot odds.

[Bigwig]

[ QUOTE ]
See, this is a good question.

I posted a hand kind of like this before.

I guess it depends on the read and your stack size. Usually I fold this just because of the stack sizes and strength of the hand but in that thread it was said I was too tight here.

I need to learn more about this play, when to fold and when to come over the top.

What do you do with 22 here? 66? 88?

[/ QUOTE ]

I would probably fold 22 with my stack in this situation. I would definitely push 66 and 88.

[treeofwisdom7]

no way man this is an easy fold. you gotta start understanding and have a better feeling for the gap..
if i was doing something else the whole game and didnt have a read on my opt i wouldnt call with less than A9s A10 maybe


k my bad i went cowboy on this one. but a lot of my decision would be based on how much he has raised all in b4 this hand. im prolly still gonna fold A8 and call A9s .

[Voltron87]

I'm not a fan, but I don't think it is abysmal.

[1C5]

I used to take the gap way too far. I used to fold AJ here sometimes and hands like 77.

Changed that though.

[microbet]

I'm very interested in getting a lot of opinions on what the bet implies about the raiser's hand.

My impression is that it usually means a stronger hand.

[1C5]

From the last 2 nights, when people have done this they had AA and KK everyttime. /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[treeofwisdom7]

the bet isnt gonna imply anything . it depends 100% on the player whos doing the bet and the situation at the table

[microbet]

Come on now.

[deathpotato]

I find that this bet almost always indicates a very big hand. If we're assuming that it doesn't, and that UTG is raising even slightly tight (ie 22+, A2+, K4o+, K2s+, Q9o+, Q8s, JTo, J9s+) then this is any easy push. But I think that that's a very bad assumption, and barring a read I fold.

[ChuckyB]

Depends on your read of your opponent and the image you've been putting out there. He's got enough of a hand that he's willing to commit all his chips...but he doesn't want to right off the bat. A monster pair, or two high cards.

If you've been showing tight, this can be a good play.

But with a well-defined 1st, 2nd and 3rd chip position, this is a fold.

[ChuckyB]

Hey, isn't your avatar from Mike Tyson's Knockout Boxing from the Nintendo? What's his name? Or am I out to lunch?

[lastchance]

Not standard, but playable. I think that sums it up. A bead on UTG would be nice here.

[1C5]

King Hippo!
Hey, I am from Winnipeg also! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Freudian]

If he is a good player I will fold this in an instant (which of course good players can exploit).

If he is loose and has minraised all game long I will push.

[ChuckyB]

Man I used to love that game. I could never beat Mike Tyson though. He used to pummel me like Robin Givens.

In what part of Winnipeg is Hippo Island? Is that near the Club Regent Casino?