So I took a peak at the hand history....

[SpaceAce]

What hand range would you give my opponent, here?


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB folds.

River: (9.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

SpaceAce

[damaniac]

I suppose a pp less than AA. I kind of like calling, seeing as how you are WA/WB, there are no draws, and there is no reason to fold out a lower pp if that's what he has. Of course, if they are willing to call down without an A...

[SmileyEH]

I have like 200 hands on you in ptracker SpaceAce and you're like 15/5 - this is just an anomaly right? Oh and you stayed at a shitty table about an hour ago WAY too long.

Just givin' you the headsup.

Oh, and KK-JJ or AT AJ

-SmileyEH

[PokerSparky]

Short-handed I guess he could have anything from Ax, 22-KK.

I would have just called the flop and turn, then bet out on the river (WA/WB), but I guess your line got an extra SB.

[SpaceAce]

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I have like 200 hands on you in ptracker SpaceAce and you're like 15/5 - this is just an anomaly right? Oh and you stayed at a shitty table about an hour ago WAY too long.

Just givin' you the headsup.

Oh, and KK-JJ or AT AJ

-SmileyEH

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know my VPIP for full tables because I play a lot of short-handed and never seperated out full games. My PFR over the last 60,000 hands is between 9 and 10.

SpaceAce

[Pat Southern]

I'd check/call, check/call bet here.

[SmileyEH]

You can defintely up your aggression then. I'm about 17.5/12 primarily full table. I think thats where you want to be for 2/4.

-SmileyEH

[SmileyEH]

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I'd check/call, check/call bet here.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is leaving bets on the table. Hero's line is good.

-SmileyEH

[damaniac]

I think this isn't a bad spot to deviate from c/c, c/c, bet, because, with two aces out, your opponent is less likely to give you credit for one.

[SmileyEH]

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I think this isn't a bad spot to deviate from c/c, c/c, bet, because, with two aces out, your opponent is less likely to give you credit for one.

[/ QUOTE ]

My thoughts exactly. KK-JJ is going to go to showdown no matter what you do.

-SmileyEH

[SpaceAce]

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You can defintely up your aggression then. I'm about 17.5/12 primarily full table. I think thats where you want to be for 2/4.

-SmileyEH

[/ QUOTE ]

17.84/9.66, just checked. Both of those numbers are down a bit from where they used to be. I'm tightening up lately, trying to control some insane swings I've been having. They are mentioned in other threads.

SpaceAce

[PokerSparky]

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I'm about 17.5/12 primarily full table. I think thats where you want to be for 2/4.


[/ QUOTE ]

Wow, I'm a little above 10% pfr (only 10k hands), but I always feel like I'm one of the most aggressive players PF at the tables I'm playing.

[SpaceAce]

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I think this isn't a bad spot to deviate from c/c, c/c, bet, because, with two aces out, your opponent is less likely to give you credit for one.

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My thoughts exactly. KK-JJ is going to go to showdown no matter what you do.

-SmileyEH

[/ QUOTE ]

Precisely what I had in mind, plus trapping the other player who might give up on the turn when his bizarre backdoor draw/two pair/whatever failed to materialize.

I have found that NOTHING ties an average-to-bad player to a pot like check-raising him with exactly the hand you've been representing. They simply do not want to give you credit for having the hand + I think it becomes an ego issue in the form of "You can't push me around!"

SpaceAce

[SmileyEH]

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[ QUOTE ]
You can defintely up your aggression then. I'm about 17.5/12 primarily full table. I think thats where you want to be for 2/4.

-SmileyEH

[/ QUOTE ]
17.84/9.66, just checked. Both of those numbers are down a bit from where they used to be. I'm tightening up lately, trying to control some insane swings I've been having. They are mentioned in other threads.

SpaceAce

[/ QUOTE ]

ok I lied. Had too much shorthanded hands. I'm 17.7/10.7 with 7 to 10 players at the table.

-SmileyEH

[SpaceAce]

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[ QUOTE ]
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You can defintely up your aggression then. I'm about 17.5/12 primarily full table. I think thats where you want to be for 2/4.

-SmileyEH

[/ QUOTE ]
17.84/9.66, just checked. Both of those numbers are down a bit from where they used to be. I'm tightening up lately, trying to control some insane swings I've been having. They are mentioned in other threads.

SpaceAce

[/ QUOTE ]

ok I lied. Had too much shorthanded hands. I'm 17.7/10.7 with 7 to 10 players at the table.

-SmileyEH

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, if we're talking 2-6 players, my PFR is on its way to 14%.

SpaceAce

[SpaceAce]

Is everyone reeady for the results? Yes? Excellent, here they are:

My opponent had...

(drumroll please)

...

...

...

Pocket deuces! Villain was playing the board on the river. He beats 0 hands, splits only with hands consisting of two cards under 7 and loses to everything else. I guess he really wanted to see my cards.

SpaceAce

[Fnord]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.16 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (17.16 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21.16 BB

Results:
Hero has Qs Kc (three of a kind, kings).
MP3 has 2h 2c (two pair, kings and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 21.16 BB.

[SpaceAce]

At least your villain's pair actually played /images/graemlins/smile.gif

SpaceAce

[CallMeIshmael]

I remember once I was playing in a PL game at a frat with one kid a knew, and like 5 I didnt.

Final board was KK886, one guy called a pot-sized bet with 22, and turned it over at the end (losing to Kx).

It was one of the toughest times I've ever had not laughing.

[MisterKing]

Dude I love the new avatar...