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BS Yee
06-11-2005, 12:01 PM
From today's LVRJ:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Jun-11-Sat-2005/news/26703136.html

Poker champion details heist attempt at Bellagio

Raymer describes confrontation with two men in hotel hall


One of the nation's best poker players told in court Friday how he fended off two robbers trying to steal his $150,000 in gambling chips during an ill-advised attack at Bellagio last year.

Greg "Fossilman" Raymer said he was returning to his hotel room at the Strip resort on Dec. 20 at 2 a.m. with $150,000 in chips in a duffle bag when authorities allege Kevin R. Joy, 35, and Deem Cassim, 31, tried to jump him and force him into his room.

"I knew it was a bad idea to let two criminals shove you into the room," Raymer said. "I'm in fear for my safety, my life, my money, everything."

So Raymer, a petite 330 pounds himself, fought back.

He started screaming for help and swinging his arms and elbows around like an NBA rebounder in the paint in the hotel's hallway, prompting the smaller attacker, Cassim, to pull out a lengthy firearm.

"We just want the money," Raymer said Cassim told him.

"I stopped yelling," Raymer said. "If I cooperated and went in my room, I thought, it was highly likely I was going to be quietly killed, so I started yelling again."

Raymer again started flailing around. When it was over, he said, Joy was on the ground, and Cassim was running for the door with firearm in hand. Raymer still had his chips.

The men, accused of trying to rob Raymer in a high tech resort loaded with cameras, were later nabbed after video surveillance captured them walking to a car at the Bellagio and leaving.

A hotel employee also recognized one of the assailants from an earlier incident at the hotel in the casino's poker room.

Cassim and Joy are charged with attempted robbery and conspiracy.

After hearing Raymer's account of the incident Friday morning, Justice of the Peace Tony Abbatangelo ordered the pair's case to District Court for arraignment.

Raymer of Connecticut won $5 million at the World Series of Poker in 2004 , and he quit his job as a patent lawyer to play poker.

He testified in court Friday he usually does not carry such a large amount of chips with him. He happened to have the $150,000 because he was scheduled to check out of the hotel very early the next morning.

b0000000000m
06-11-2005, 01:41 PM
Hello,
The word "news" contains the word "new." Please reflect.

wacki
06-11-2005, 02:08 PM
Obviously you missed the title.


I wonder if that was a typo, if the author didn't know what the word meant, or if that was some misplaced ploy by the reporter to bring sympathy.

Punker
06-11-2005, 02:27 PM
I think its meant to be mild sarcasm, like writing about an NBA player and saying "he's a short 7-1".

BS Yee
06-11-2005, 02:35 PM
If you click on the article and see the pictures of the guys, Fossilman is "petite" when compared to one of them. They're like a Penn and Teller gone bad.

tylerdurden
06-11-2005, 02:56 PM
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$150,000 in chips in a duffle bag

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Uh, wouldn't it be easier to color up to just a few high-denomination chips? I'd hate lugging around 1,500 $100 chips when I could just put 15 $10,000 chips in my pocket. And why bring them up to the room at all? Why not leave them in a box at the cage???

RicktheRuler
06-11-2005, 04:34 PM
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I wonder if that was a typo, if the author didn't know what the word meant, or if that was some misplaced ploy by the reporter to bring sympathy.

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I'm pretty sure it was just a joke.

jasonHoldEm
06-11-2005, 07:49 PM
I wonder how much stars paid greg to pimp their gear in the courtroom. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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PokerGoblin
06-11-2005, 11:05 PM
that and I highly doubt Greg goes 330 lbs like the article states...

AceHigh
06-11-2005, 11:27 PM
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that and I highly doubt Greg goes 330 lbs like the article states...

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They don't call them whales for nothing, lol. Seriously - you are right no way Greg is 330.

Luv2DriveTT
06-12-2005, 12:14 AM
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$150,000 in chips in a duffle bag

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Uh, wouldn't it be easier to color up to just a few high-denomination chips? I'd hate lugging around 1,500 $100 chips when I could just put 15 $10,000 chips in my pocket. And why bring them up to the room at all? Why not leave them in a box at the cage???

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The article was wrong. I remember Greg discussing this incident in the forums, it was FAR less than 150,000. I remember something like 5K... if fact some people were joking about how it was such a small amount.

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stabn
06-12-2005, 01:12 AM
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$150,000 in chips in a duffle bag

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Uh, wouldn't it be easier to color up to just a few high-denomination chips? I'd hate lugging around 1,500 $100 chips when I could just put 15 $10,000 chips in my pocket. And why bring them up to the room at all? Why not leave them in a box at the cage???

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The article was wrong. I remember Greg discussing this incident in the forums, it was FAR less than 150,000. I remember something like 5K... if fact some people were joking about how it was such a small amount.

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Gregg lied about it at first i believe. I don't blame him.

youtalkfunny
06-12-2005, 02:05 AM
I'm close to 330, and people are shocked when I tell them.

"When I think of 300+, I don't think of you," I hear a lot.

I've never met Greg, so I can't compare myself to him.

lighterjobs
06-12-2005, 02:48 AM
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Uh, wouldn't it be easier to color up to just a few high-denomination chips? I'd hate lugging around 1,500 $100 chips when I could just put 15 $10,000 chips in my pocket. And why bring them up to the room at all? Why not leave them in a box at the cage???

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he was probably on drugs

henrikrh
06-12-2005, 06:47 AM
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that and I highly doubt Greg goes 330 lbs like the article states...

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They don't call them whales for nothing, lol. Seriously - you are right no way Greg is 330.

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Look at the court-room photo, he's clearly lost some weight since the WSOP2004.

Luv2DriveTT
06-12-2005, 09:44 AM
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I'm close to 330, and people are shocked when I tell them.

"When I think of 300+, I don't think of you," I hear a lot.

I've never met Greg, so I can't compare myself to him.

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I've met Greg. Yes he is overweight, but beneath the fat he is rather solid muscle. His handshake is that of a body builder's, not someone you want to mess with.

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daveymck
06-13-2005, 10:25 AM
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that and I highly doubt Greg goes 330 lbs like the article states...

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They don't call them whales for nothing, lol. Seriously - you are right no way Greg is 330.

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Look at the court-room photo, he's clearly lost some weight since the WSOP2004.

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I thouhgt that as well when he was on the British POker open he has definatley lost weight, and I thought how relaxed and healthy he looked.

chucksim
06-13-2005, 10:16 PM
The story says the big dude was on the ground. That's a feat, based on the picture. Good job, Greg....

Tyler Durden
06-13-2005, 11:47 PM
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$150,000 in chips in a duffle bag

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Uh, wouldn't it be easier to color up to just a few high-denomination chips? I'd hate lugging around 1,500 $100 chips when I could just put 15 $10,000 chips in my pocket. And why bring them up to the room at all? Why not leave them in a box at the cage???

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I think he took the chips up to his room b/c he didn't want to have to retrieve them from a box in the poker room in the morning, since he was leaving very early as the article states.

tylerdurden
06-14-2005, 01:08 AM
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I think he took the chips up to his room b/c he didn't want to have to retrieve them from a box in the poker room in the morning, since he was leaving very early as the article states.

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How long does it take to get chips out of the cage? $5000 I could see, but $150k, chips or cash, there's no way I'm taking that up to my room no matter how big my roll is, especially if I'm a high-profile player like Greg is. I'll get my ass up a few minutes early. I'm guessing Greg will probably do the same in the future if in fact this is the case.

Wait... if he was leaving in the morning, this makes even less sense. He should have either colored up to high-value chips, or (better) cashed out completely. WTF is he going to do with a duffle bag full of chips on a plane? That's gotta be a pain in the ass to schlep around an airport.

betgo
06-14-2005, 10:11 AM
I don't think it was a good idea to carry around a bag of chips, even with all the security. Converting it to $100 bills makes it less conspicuous.