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11t
06-10-2005, 12:21 PM
I find myself getting in these situations where I just don't want to put another cent into these hands after I bet so aggressive on the flop.

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BB (t510)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1110)
MP1 (t1400)
MP2 (t1800)
Hero (t1790)
CO (t1400)
Button (t1600)
SB (t2410)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, CO calls t100, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t80, MP1 calls t80, MP2 calls t80.

Flop: (t510) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, CO folds, BB folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t300.

Turn: (t1110) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t1110) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t1110

Runner Runner
06-10-2005, 12:47 PM
I think you need to at least bet T500 on the turn. If he's a reasonable player who is trapping you with and he cr's allin you can get away from it. After betting the turn and getting called, I may check behind on the river rather then risking my whole stack.

Having said that, since you didn't bet the turn, now I for sure think you should value bet T500 on the river. He obviously doesn't have you beat, and he will call you with a lot of hands you can beat.

zipppy
06-10-2005, 12:51 PM
Depending on my read, I'll usually fire at the pot again on the turn; if I check on the turn as you did, I'd DEFINITELY bet something on the river.

If he had picked up a monster, then his checking the flop and turn makes sense, but after you check behind on the turn, most with a big hand will value bet on the river. Since the villian didn't, I think you're safe to value bet with TPTK.

Again, this depends on your read on the opponent.

Thoughts?

zipppy
06-10-2005, 12:54 PM
My thoughts exactly, though I'll usually bet something smaller on the river (200-300ish), since very few hands will call a half-size pot bet here.

adanthar
06-10-2005, 12:57 PM
You think you were aggressive on the flop with your whopping 3/5 pot bet?

Jeez, bet the turn, you're usually ahead here I promise.

Unarmed
06-10-2005, 01:10 PM
I think you played it perfectly up until the river where you should be value betting. He's not going for a C/R after you checked behind on the turn.

11t
06-10-2005, 01:16 PM
How can I bet the turn and fold to a raise? Any reasonable bet (500) leaves me with 600 left behind me with a 2200 pot staring in front of me.

Runner Runner
06-10-2005, 02:00 PM
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How can I bet the turn and fold to a raise? Any reasonable bet (500) leaves me with 600 left behind me with a 2200 pot staring in front of me.

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You started the hand with T1790. 1790-100-300-500, would leave you with T890 left if you folded to a turn checkraise.

You are not pot commited in this spot against a reasonably straight forward opponent who check raises the turn. You must have a good read on the player, but you are deep enough to make a fold here.

1C5
06-10-2005, 02:15 PM
How do you have a good read on the player online this early in the tournament?

Runner Runner
06-10-2005, 02:27 PM
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How do you have a good read on the player online this early in the tournament?

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