*Official* Party Super Thursday

[Lloyd]

I'll get it going. Table 19. Up and down so far.

GL

Magic Pig

[Harv72b]

Dead money here on table 27. Doubled up on the 2nd hand of the tournament, pretty much static since then.

[Lloyd]

So around the bubble in the Super Monday people started talking about stalling. I decided to get on the stalling bandwagon and talk about how this was my first cash finish every and if stalling would help, that would be my plan.

Of course, it wasn't my first cash finish and I never even considered such a foolish thing as stalling. But apparently my image has been built:

Rail comment from the first hand:

MarkRadoja: Grats on the Super Monday Magic_Pig, from stalling to make the money to second place. Great to see a newcomer casha big one. I hope I see you later on in this tournament GL

[Che]

[ QUOTE ]
MarkRadoja: Grats on the Super Monday Magic_Pig, from stalling to make the money to second place. Great to see a newcomer casha big one. I hope I see you later on in this tournament GL

[/ QUOTE ]

What a goofball. Must have read your sarcastic comments out of context in his hand history. Or maybe he's being sarcastic...hmmmmm. (I doubt it.)

Anyway, I'm already out after a brief roller coaster ride. My AK made top two on the turn, but the villain made the nut staight and I couldn't catch him on the river. Quadrupled back to respectability with 65o in the BB when the flop came 66T and the table went crazy (one guy with a T, two with slowplayed overpairs), but then lost a 3way PF all-in that would have put me over 3.5K when my KK beat QQ but lost to AKs on the rivered flush. /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Oh well, maybe next time...

GLA,
Che

[Pat Southern]

Was just about to post how uneventful my hour was, just got QQ and lost to AK.

[Harv72b]

2360 @ 1st break, still on #27. Bluffed off a couple hundred in a blind battle a few minutes ago. I've already done better than I expected to in my first Super. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Lloyd]

Around T960. I called about T350 with a flush and insight straight draw. Took a gamble getting about 1.6 to 1 and 1.3 to 1 dog. Turns out opponent was also on a straight draw with an overcard so I actually had more outs than I thought. But alas, none came. More than doubled up with TT vs. 44, lost a pot, won a pot - basically lots of action but back to beginning chips.

[LesJ]

Feeling extremely stupid tonight. For some reason, I was thinking it was a ten pm est start time and I logged on PP right as they were seating. I was shut out tonight. Guess I will play a couple of sit-n-gos and maybe the $50 multi at 11 pm. I will see everyone tomorrow night for the Friday Night special . . . 10 pm, right?
Good Luck all,

Les

[Zinzan]

lloyd, nice call by A5 (bottom pair?) against your all-in top pair.

-Z

[Zinzan]

Been watching her from the beginning:

<ul type="square"> pushed oesd, hit backdoor flush
pushed from BB w/AJ against LP smallstack raise w/AQ, hit JxxJA
pushed QQ, called by AJo, hits trips, but loses to flush
pushed AQ from UTG+1, called by BB AK, spiked a Q
[/list]

Other than these big all-ins, she's actually played very few hands.

Does she have a post-flop game?

-Z

[woodguy]

[ QUOTE ]
MarkRadoja: Grats on the Super Monday Magic_Pig, from stalling to make the money to second place. Great to see a newcomer casha big one. I hope I see you later on in this tournament GL

[/ QUOTE ]

"Thanks, says Lloyd, furiously adding MarkRadoja to his buddy list" /images/graemlins/grin.gif.

Was good to read about your good finish in the Monday Lloyd, nice work.

Hopefully I can get some time to start playing these again and join you at the FT.

Regards,
Woodguy

[Pat Southern]

[ QUOTE ]
So around the bubble in the Super Monday people started talking about stalling. I decided to get on the stalling bandwagon and talk about how this was my first cash finish every and if stalling would help, that would be my plan.

Of course, it wasn't my first cash finish and I never even considered such a foolish thing as stalling. But apparently my image has been built:

Rail comment from the first hand:

MarkRadoja: Grats on the Super Monday Magic_Pig, from stalling to make the money to second place. Great to see a newcomer casha big one. I hope I see you later on in this tournament GL

[/ QUOTE ]

I can't wait for my first ever cash.

[Zinzan]

[ QUOTE ]
Does she have a post-flop game?

[/ QUOTE ]

75/150. shortstack all-in for 740, call by big stack, push by gambo for her last 1100. her 99 hits (but not necessary) against 77 and 55.

-Z

[Schaefer]

Hey Lloyd,

You probably didn't realize that SchaeferBeer was me donking it up the whole tourney. I just won the 11R on Stars and my roommate is bringing over 3 girls so I've been trying to build a big stack or bust. GL, I hope you get my chips.

Schaefer

[Lloyd]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Lloyd,

You probably didn't realize that SchaeferBeer was me donking it up the whole tourney. I just won the 11R on Stars and my roommate is bringing over 3 girls so I've been trying to build a big stack or bust. GL, I hope you get my chips.

Schaefer

[/ QUOTE ]
I had a pretty strong feeling it was you. Got caught stealing there /images/graemlins/wink.gif

T2100 at the 2nd break

[Zinzan]

[ QUOTE ]
You probably didn't realize that SchaeferBeer was me donking it up the whole tourney.

[/ QUOTE ]

I wondered if that was you, Schaefer.

Me, t3830 at second break, table 13.

-Z

[Harv72b]

blech...blind steal gone bad has me down to t1942 @ the 2nd break, now on table 16.

It also didn't help when my FPS got me rivered by AK a while back.

[Schaefer]

Lol, got stealing where? Anytime it's folded to me I'm pushing. I'm so dumb. Whoops, just got moved to table 15....any trout there to take my chips?

Schaefer

[Zinzan]

pig at my table now.

beritus is a calling station. seen flop nearly 50% (close to 75% in the early levels).

and Russtec hasn't gotten aggressive lately. raising my limps and my std raises.

-Z

[jazzyfresh45]

Playing my first Super tourney (actually biggest cash tourney yet.) Won a qualifier yesterday. With 175 players left, hanging in with 2217 chips.

(first post here also...)

[Lloyd]

[ QUOTE ]
Playing my first Super tourney (actually biggest cash tourney yet.) Won a qualifier yesterday. With 175 players left, hanging in with 2217 chips.

(first post here also...)

[/ QUOTE ]
good luck

[Zinzan]

Geez, a couple luckboxes around here... Schaefer has gone on a tear by pushing Q7 against AA and calling an all-in with KJ. t7775.

And I pushed with an almost nut flush and straight draw against a made pair of aces and hit my straight. t5560.

-Z

[Ryan11]

Still kicking . . ~5000 in chips

[Ryan11]

Just caught a guy with his hand in the cookie jar.

BB with ATo he raises from MP, I call

Flop: AT9 I check he goes all in
I call he flips 47o

[jazzyfresh45]

Was shortstacked with 1700 but had AA, raised and someone pushed with 99. Rockets held and then the next hand i get AK suited, raise and no action. NEXT hand i get KK in BB and get raised 800 and reraise all in and he folds. Amazing 3 hand run.

Then I called an all in with 88 and lost coinflip to AJ.

3760 in chips now.

[Harv72b]

Table 3 now...clinging to life with about t3000

EDIT: Oh, yay...Gamboholic_ is at my table

[Zinzan]

Lloyd was... hardly played a hand the past hour. Finally pushed with AQ? and ran into his nemesis, Annie (disguised as dblsomething), who called with A5 and hits.

Me getting lucky, t13659.

-Z

[Lloyd]

Busted out when I pushed with AJ UTG+1 and got called by the BB with A5. A5. Did I say, A5. I can't believe, that I still can't believe how horrible some people are.

[jazzyfresh45]

I reraised a raiser all in with JJ and he called 1200 more with A10 and of course hits his ace. Then NEXT hand everyone folds to me on button with A8 and i push my last 1300 and the SAME GUY calls with A5 and hits the 5. Two 3 out suckouts in a row by same villian. Unreal. 110th place. What can u do?

[Harv72b]

I raise UTG with 99, called by the short stack in BB with 44. Party special grants him a flush, I'm hanging in with t5500.

[Harv72b]

Good fold or playing weak?

#Game No : 2183321160
***** Hand History for Game 2183321160 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:12955071 Level:9 Blinds (200/400) - Friday, June 10, 00:08:00 EDT 2005
Table Super Thursday(359800) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Stipe_fan ( $3162 )
Seat 3: I15XPRS ( $3340 )
Seat 4: Harv72c ( $5537 )
Seat 5: thedonkey ( $8377 )
Seat 7: aantimatr ( $11327 )
Seat 9: McConnico ( $1952 )
Seat 10: Gamboholic_ ( $14620 )
Seat 1: Russtec ( $8520 )
Seat 8: eb123 ( $3441 )
Seat 6: DannyB888 ( $6771 )
Trny:12955071 Level:9
Blinds (200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Harv72c [ 9h Ac ]
thedonkey folds.
BRAND NEW: HALF A MILLION GUARANTEED - Win big this Sunday at 16:30!!! Only at PartyPoker.com!
DannyB888 calls [400].
aantimatr folds.
eb123 folds.
McConnico folds.
Gamboholic_ folds.
Russtec folds.
Stipe_fan folds.
I15XPRS calls [200].
Harv72c checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, Ad, 4h ]
I15XPRS checks.
There will be a break in 1 minute(s)
Harv72c bets [1000].
DannyB888 raises [2000].
I15XPRS folds.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Harv72c folds.
DannyB888 does not show cards.
DannyB888 wins 4200 chips

[Zinzan]

t13958. Lost about 4K in the past couple orbits on missed flops, reraises to my PF raises, etc. Was close to calling a PF reraise against my AQ, but laid down to a 7K all-in.

-Z

[billyjex]

i'm probably getting all my chips in there, harv. I think his limp can easily be a weak suited ace and you're ahead.

[Harv72b]

[ QUOTE ]
i'm probably getting all my chips in there, harv. I think his limp can easily be a weak suited ace and you're ahead.

[/ QUOTE ]

I figured it was either a weak suited ace or a very strong ace...wasn't really sure if I wanted to take the chance at this stage.

Anyway, still clinging to life with the short stack @ t3300, 80 left. Whether I make the money (or more) or not, I'm happy with my play so far. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[HoldingFolding]

Nice one ZinZan, now chip leader. Plunder the bubble!

[ethan]

Hey Harv - you just minraised on the button and folded to the SB's push...(blinds 400/800, 80 left, you had about 5K to start the hand) I'm not sure there's any hand I wouldn't either push or fold when the action got to me the first time. Maybe AA?

Mind sharing?

[Zinzan]

Been trying to figure out the best way to play against aggro bubble players like you and Gamboholic_ and Gigabet... I would like to put you on a wider range of hands, including smaller aces, but the truth is players like you and Gamboholic_ don't get called often, so... so I took a chance, right or wrong, with AKs. Your pair of nines were not what I wanted to see, of course.

And I decided I wasn't going to play scared on the bubble... Not playing for $314.

Thoughts, anyone?

-Z

[Harv72b]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Harv - you just minraised on the button and folded to the SB's push...(blinds 400/800, 80 left, you had about 5K to start the hand) I'm not sure there's any hand I wouldn't either push or fold when the action got to me the first time. Maybe AA?

Mind sharing?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nothing nearly that strong. It was just a thinly veiled attempt to represent a stronger hand by raising less. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Ryan11]

well just busted out. . guy moved in with 99 I called with QQ, turns a 9 and I'm sent packing. Ah well made the money atleast.

[Harv72b]

Out in 64th. My 77 loses the race vs. AK.

Zinzan, you're totally right about beginner's luck, but I'll take it. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Overall fairly happy with my play. I passed on what were probably some good chances to double up during the bubble, tho, which I'm not too happy about. I told myself from the get-go that even if this was my first Super, I wasn't going to just play for the money, but that's what I did when it got down to around 90. /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Ima write up a first-timer's tournament report in a bit. Thanks for the support you guys! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Zinzan]

You done good. You did play tight a couple times, like that one with the... AQ, was it? Especially with a small stack, you gotta take a chance, unless making the money is really important to you, which you say it wasn't.

I'm sure we'll see you 'round.

BTW, it may seem like beginner's luck when you bust out early in your next tourney or two. That happens, but don't get discouraged.

-Z

[ethan]

[ QUOTE ]
Been trying to figure out the best way to play against aggro bubble players like you and Gamboholic_ and Gigabet... I would like to put you on a wider range of hands, including smaller aces, but the truth is players like you and Gamboholic_ don't get called often, so... so I took a chance, right or wrong, with AKs. Your pair of nines were not what I wanted to see, of course.

And I decided I wasn't going to play scared on the bubble... Not playing for $314.

Thoughts, anyone?

-Z

[/ QUOTE ]

You're calling 12758 to win 18758. You need to win 40% of the time to make a call +chipEV. If Schaefer's range is AA-99, AKs-AQs, AKo you're at 46% and chipEV = +1800. Even if we take out AQs, you're still 44% for chipEV = +1100. If his range is AA-99, AKs-AJs, AKo-AQo, KQs then you win 53% and calling has a chipEV of +4000. Even if Schaefer's range is AA-QQ, AKs you win 38% of the time. That'd give you a chipEV of -900, but when you win you have a huge chiplead over the table with some shortish stacks to your left on the bubble. You'll make those chips back. This is key - winning this hand means you'll probably steal an extra couple thousand chips, plus you get rid of an aggressive good player who'd otherwise be on your left for the rest of the tournament. (This hand was at table #1.)

If you're not playing for $314, I think this one's pretty straightforward.

ni han, now go win this thing /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[crosse91]

so what trout are still in this thing?? (besides zinzan) i'm ready to watch for awhile.....

btw, i'm hornslax

[Zinzan]

[ QUOTE ]
You're calling 12758 to win 18758. You need to win 40% of the time to make a call +chipEV. If Schaefer's range is AA-99, AKs-AQs, AKo you're at 46% and chipEV = +1800. Even if we take out AQs, you're still 44% for chipEV = +1100. If his range is AA-99, AKs-AJs, AKo-AQo, KQs then you win 53% and calling has a chipEV of +4000. Even if Schaefer's range is AA-QQ, AKs you win 38% of the time. That'd give you a chipEV of -900, but when you win you have a huge chiplead over the table with some shortish stacks to your left on the bubble. You'll make those chips back. This is key - winning this hand means you'll probably steal an extra couple thousand chips, plus you get rid of an aggressive good player who'd otherwise be on your left for the rest of the tournament. (This hand was at table #1.)

If you're not playing for $314, I think this one's pretty straightforward.

ni han, now go win this thing /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

oh yeah, that math stuff... i got learn that before the WSOP ME. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Thanks, really.

-Z

[Harv72b]

[ QUOTE ]
You done good. You did play tight a couple times, like that one with the... AQ, was it? Especially with a small stack, you gotta take a chance, unless making the money is really important to you, which you say it wasn't.

[/ QUOTE ]

Meh, tournament's done for me so I'll let the cat out of the bag. I think the hand you're talking about is that one above where I miniraised first in from the button &amp; folded to the all in from the SB? J8s...given the size of my stack &amp; the aggressive nature of the SB, I probably should've just folded that one preflop, or else definitely gone ahead &amp; pushed &amp; hoped for folds. That's a play I'm used to being able to make on the 22 &amp; 33 SNGs, which obviously isn't going to fly on the bubble of a major MTT. It's all a learning experience. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'm pretty sure I played all of my AQ's to showdown. I know I didn't fold (or get) any of them during the bubble; I really was card dead during the third hour. Actually, for most of the tournament. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[ethan]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Hey Harv - you just minraised on the button and folded to the SB's push...(blinds 400/800, 80 left, you had about 5K to start the hand) I'm not sure there's any hand I wouldn't either push or fold when the action got to me the first time. Maybe AA?

Mind sharing?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nothing nearly that strong. It was just a thinly veiled attempt to represent a stronger hand by raising less. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
I'm not sure your opposition's going to be that sophisticated here. (And I wasn't suggesting I thought you actually _had_ AA. Good grief, no. I know you wouldn't have folded that.) /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'm just saying - if you're going to raise, then
http://www.moz.net.nz/canc2/isa/push-start-vera.jpg

[ethan]

[ QUOTE ]
oh yeah, that math stuff... i got learn that before the WSOP ME. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Thanks, really.

-Z

[/ QUOTE ]
I finally started mucking around with Pokerstove around a month ago. Working through hands people post has done a lot for my instincts in situations like this.

Also, start winning your coinflips. /images/graemlins/mad.gif
You were actually a favorite after the QT9 flop in your AJvs66 hand.

[Schaefer]

I WAS PLAYING FOR 349 SO STOP RUBBING IT IN.

AKo insta call for me against me. AKs intas insta call vs me. If that makes sense then YOU HAVE been fdrinking petron and PETRON.

Schaefer

[Zinzan]

lol, dude.

So I'm in the WSOP ME, and have never played a big event like that with pros and such. Any advice to deal with the nervousness?

And don't say Petron!

-Z

[Zinzan]

Slightly below average with t57860.

betgo is 2+2, isn't he?

-Z

[ethan]

[ QUOTE ]
betgo is 2+2, isn't he?

[/ QUOTE ]
Yep. Author of this classic guide to MTT play (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=tourn&amp;Number=2449235&amp;Forum =All_Forums&amp;Words=betgo&amp;Searchpage=0&amp;Limit=50&amp;Main =2447798&amp;Search=true&amp;where=bodysub&amp;Name=&amp;daterange =1&amp;newerval=1&amp;newertype=y&amp;olderval=&amp;oldertype=&amp;bod yprev=1#Post2449235).

[Zinzan]

Damn, get blinded down one round, and I'm suddenly shortstack.

-Z

[betgo]

Took 7th place. Open pushed for 16xBB with 88 in SB. BB called with TT. Made codan the big chip leader.

[ethan]

d'oh.
$4K ain't bad.

[Zinzan]

Probably a bad play, but I hadn't pulled that one yet--a resteal with any two cards (54o). And my stack was getting to the point where I would start losing fold equity.

Obviously, the timing was deplorable. I respected Fartotronics minimum raises earlier, but he showed down some mediocre hands he minimum raised. Not this time (AA).

Anyway, thanks for the sweat, guys.

-Z

[Zinzan]

I had a reasonably tight image at this table, and had folded a number of min. raises into my BB (a lot of really crappy hands in my blinds). But as the short-stack, I was looking for a resteal opportunity. Villain had showed down some weaker hands he min. raised with, so I took a shot. Didn't have to, as I still had more than 10 BBs, but it looked like an opportune time.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t8000 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t101000)
MP (t125936)
CO (t123590)
Button (t162058)
SB (t102696)
Hero (t82720)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t16000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t82720 (All-In)</font>, CO calls t66720.

Flop: (t169440) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t169440) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t169440) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t169440

Comments?

-Z

[Harv72b]

[ QUOTE ]
I had a reasonably tight image at this table, and had folded a number of min. raises into my BB (a lot of really crappy hands in my blinds). But as the short-stack, I was looking for a resteal opportunity. Villain had showed down some weaker hands he min. raised with, so I took a shot. Didn't have to, as I still had more than 10 BBs, but it looked like an opportune time.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is exactly what I was thinking, particularly your table image. You haven't been throwing your chips around, so I don't think he's going to call your push with JTs or the like; Villain has a very narrow range of hands he'll call the reraise with. Just your bad luck that he had something in that range on this hand. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

You were getting short stacked &amp; you did have to make something happen. I think it takes a couple plays like this to win a big MTT, so even if it didn't work out in this instance, I think it was a good push. Go down swinging, not just watching the blinds knock you down while you hope a few more people bust out first.

[betgo]

I was at the same table three times with the winner MissLeader. I was pretty impressed by her play. She is a very aggressive player. Presumably she is a professional, sinve the tournament started at 3 AM in Europe.

[Zinzan]

[ QUOTE ]
I was at the same table three times with the winner MissLeader. I was pretty impressed by her play. She is a very aggressive player. Presumably she is a professional, sinve the tournament started at 3 AM in Europe.

[/ QUOTE ]

At the end, she played extremely well. In the final twenty, she seemed a bit loose. A6s call to take Gamboholic_ out, wasn't it? I made the comment that I'd rather see an all-in caller with A6 make the final table than Gambo... little did I know she'd end up taking the whole thing.

-Z

[DonButtons]

Missleader is very very good, I usually dont see her play other than sundays when I was a big mtt regular, but every sunday she went deep with a big stack. Her play is def. interesting and she does a lot of odd calls from the bb but when she raises 3-4xbb, she folds to a lot of pushs which is weird.

Btw, nice job zinzan...maybe Ill see you at vegas, if I decide to go play the $1500 and $1000 events during the middle of the main event