No F-Word at WSOP [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

Indiana

06-09-2005, 05:07 PM

Absolutely ridiculous. I was called down for this a lot last year at various casinos in vegas. Its clearly a stupid double standard. Think about it, there are tons of guys lining the strip handing out porn ads where <18 aged kids are but we cannot cuss in a pokerroom that only allows >=18 aged people??? Boy vegas is weird...

Indiana

nsdjoe

06-09-2005, 05:11 PM

Read a hilarious article a month or two ago... Another casino had implemented the same rule, with several casualties during the day. When one player finally got eliminated, he stands up and shouts 'CAN I SAY F--- NOW?!'

whiskeytown

06-09-2005, 05:13 PM

in a room full of adults who can act their age, this rule isn't necessary. I believe at WSOP, however, the average maturity age is about 10

Given the way people have been acting on tv the last couple yrs, it's actually not the worst rule in the world -

RB

asofel

06-09-2005, 05:15 PM

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in a room full of adults who can act their age, this rule isn't necessary. I believe at WSOP, however, the average maturity age is about 10

Given the way people have been acting on tv the last couple yrs, it's actually not the worst rule in the world -

RB

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speaking of maturity and f-bombs: funny hellmuth story (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=14668)
(probably old news for most)

niin

06-09-2005, 06:20 PM

So it's ok to scream, yell, jump up and down, taunt people, but if I say "man, I'm f'ing tired", I'll get a penalty?

That's f'ing stupid.

Everyone in the entire room during the ME should scream out the f-word all at once, so they can penalize the entire room for 10 minutes. That would rule.

TimTimSalabim

06-09-2005, 06:24 PM

wtf?

MicroBob

06-09-2005, 06:37 PM

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Absolutely ridiculous. I was called down for this a lot last year at various casinos in vegas.

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I think it's more ridiculous to get called for it just one time and then keep on doing it.
Do you have some emotional control issues or something?
Being told once that this is not allowed should be enough.
If you really can't control yourself from doing this after just one warning then you probably don't have the discipline to play winning poker either.

FWIW - I like the rule and hope I get to enforce it against as many of my opponents as possible.
I also don't think all of the dancing and taunting of the Matusow-type variety should be tolerated either and anyone who does this should receive a time-out also.
If I feel it's over-the-line then I'll call the floor-person over for them too if I think that having that person miss 10 minutes or more will be an advantage for me (if they are tilting away and I WANT them at the table then I won't try to get a time-out for them of course).

ohkanada

06-09-2005, 06:41 PM

I don't think this is anything new.

Ken

niin

06-09-2005, 08:46 PM

I think it should have some context. If I say "Hey, you over there with the stupid hat, you're a [censored] idiot", then that should get a penalty. If I say "Man, I'm [censored] tired", that should be overlooked.

Just banning a 'word' is stupid. Context is everything.

gilper

06-09-2005, 08:59 PM

what if somebody has tourette syndrome?

henrikrh

06-09-2005, 09:28 PM

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A little vid over at cardplayer.com about the WSOP rule. In short, if you say the F-word at the table, the floorperson can issue you a 10 minute suspension.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_videos/

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This is typical over the top political correctness, some people seem to think that it should be an individuals right to never be offended. But that is ofcourse stupid because a person decides what offends them, vegetarians should not be allowed to have meateaters leave a restaurant because they are offended.

Freedom of speech over freedom to not be offended. Dumb rule.

Kevmath

06-09-2005, 09:46 PM

From Pokerwire.com:

Commotion at table 118
David Levi was in a hand when his opponent stuck his thumb up to indicate a raise. He then proceeded to make a string bet. Levi asked what the thumb ment, saying that where's he's from it means the same as flashing the middle finger. His opponent then indicated that the middle finger means the f-word, and both players repeated the word several times. Both Levi and his opponent got a 10-minute time out.

Then, much to everyone's astonishment, Syracuse Chris Tsiprailidis got up from the table to confront the opponent and he ended up in a full-on confrontation with Paul Darden who was between the opponent and Syracuse Chris. The floorman called security and Darden's buddy Cody calmed him down. Syracuse Chris left the room.

Kevin...

BruinEric

06-09-2005, 10:29 PM

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This is typical over the top political correctness, some people seem to think that it should be an individuals right to never be offended. But that is ofcourse stupid because a person decides what offends them, vegetarians should not be allowed to have meateaters leave a restaurant because they are offended.

Freedom of speech over freedom to not be offended. Dumb rule.

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Not to step on your stump speech or anything, but last time I checked, the Rio is private property and the World Series of Poker is a private tournament.

Neither the Rio nor the WSOP are infringing on a player's right to free speech, which can be exercised on public property or on the player's personal property.

A player who does not like the rules of the WSOP certainly also has the right to setup his own tournament with his own rules (or lack thereof) and enforce them accordingly.

The WSOP "regulates" plenty of speech. For example, players are bound by their statements to "call" and "raise." Players may also not verbally collude with others. Does a player have "freedom of speech" to whisper the ranks of his hole cards to just one player in the hand?

There are plenty of valid criticisms of this rule, but invoking "freedom of speech" is flimsy in this case.

Photoc

06-09-2005, 10:34 PM

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what if somebody has tourette syndrome?

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Then I'd have to go out on a limb here and say they're F'd.

MicroBob

06-09-2005, 10:38 PM

additionally...these are just general rules of etiquette that they are trying to enforce.

They are not saying that you don't have a right to say that you think flag-burning should be legal or that the earth is flat. They are saying that in a large-event with a bunch of adults they expect the particpants to actually behave like adults.

The line has to be drawn somewhere.
And from what I've seen on TV I suspect the participants have pushing and pushing that line farther and farther.

It's a big-time TV event now.
The TV coverage has helped poker become more acceptable because it no longer has the reputation of being a game played by mostly drunken degenerates in dingy, cigar-smoke filled rooms.
Why would we want them to actually ALLOW everyone to drop f-bombs all over the place thus making the game look LESS respectable?

Main-streaming the game is good.
Letting the Hellmuth-babies act like little whiny-pricks is bad.

whiskeytown

06-09-2005, 10:40 PM

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Main-streaming the game is good.
Letting the Hellmuth-babies act like little whiny-pricks is bad.

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agreed - and it's not the first sport to enforce ettique

RB

goofball

06-09-2005, 11:24 PM

context is everything. I've dropped teh F bomb at the tables several times over the course of my time in vegas (usually a sign it's time to go home) and only been chastised once. The time I was it was because the dealer thought I said "[censored] you" to another player when in reality i said "[censored]' A". Usually the times i use it are a low volume exasperated fuuuuuuuck which usually garners no response.

henrikrh

06-09-2005, 11:39 PM

It should only be punished if it is affecting the pace of the game or if it in any other way inhibiting regular play.

sexdrugsmoney

06-10-2005, 12:26 AM

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A little vid over at cardplayer.com about the WSOP rule. In short, if you say the F-word at the table, the floorperson can issue you a 10 minute suspension.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_videos/

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F that. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

If you pay $10,000 into the Main Event and lose a pot with the best hand, to some amateur, the last thing you need after that depressing blow is some official giving you the equivalent of a football "yellow card".

My God, it's enough to make you kill someone I say! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Cheers,
SDM

Daliman

06-10-2005, 01:27 AM

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OK, instead, when someone puts a bad beat on me, I'll just say, "JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Not a problem, if bad bat KO's you, F-bomb all you like.

What are they going to do, have you sit out longer while on the rail?

Sponger15SB

06-10-2005, 02:01 AM

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what if somebody has tourette syndrome?

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Then I'd have to go out on a limb here and say they're F'd.

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Brilliant, in my opinion.

MicroBob

06-10-2005, 02:05 AM

Out of 6600 players there will be 6599 who get eliminated at some point.

Some of these eliminations will be of a slightly more 'unlucky' variety.

I say, "Deal with it."

99.9% of the players are going to lose all of their chips somewhere along the way.
If you're not prepared for this possibility then you are a moron.

Saying, "F-this. F-that." just seems to imply that the loser thought he was 'too good' to lose.

I've played in one live-tourney before ($10k EF PPM cruise) but otherwise have ZERO experience playing for this much money so perhaps I am underestimating the emotions involved as well as the fatigue factor of several days at the table (although the F-bombs will likely fly just as much from the day-1 elims too).

I'm a virtual cuss-a-holic much of the time so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if I somehow turned out to be the world's biggest hypcocrite regarding my opinions expressed in this thread.
You guys may get to eventually read about my 5 seperate 10-20 minute time-outs for all I know.

But for now I stand my opinion that the players should 'Man Up', show that you've 'got a pair', and stop bitching.

Golden_Rhino

06-10-2005, 02:17 AM

Any 2+2er going should use the same word instead of f k. May I recommend after a bad beat any 2+2er shout out "I BLAME SKLANSKY FOR THIS".

newhizzle

06-10-2005, 05:00 AM

can you say [censored]?

newhizzle

06-10-2005, 05:00 AM

s h i t, i mean

Smoothcall

06-10-2005, 05:22 AM

This will really hurt freddy deebs chances in the main event this year.

Smoothcall

06-10-2005, 05:25 AM

Actually Freddy Deeb and Sam Grizzle can get some good high limit headup action while there both in the penaly box!

Daliman

06-10-2005, 11:52 AM

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Out of 6600 players there will be 6599 who get eliminated at some point.

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This is the kind of rough estimate that many get wrong so don't feel bad. What are the chances of only ONE guy out of that many NOT getting knocked out?

Gotta be 6599-1 or so. I'll take that bet....

Daliman

06-10-2005, 11:54 AM

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Actually Freddy Deeb and Sam Grizzle can get some good high limit headup action while there both in the penaly box!

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Not from what I hear.

Mike Cuneo

06-10-2005, 12:18 PM

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If you pay $10,000 into the Main Event and lose a pot with the best hand, to some amateur, the last thing you need after that depressing blow is some official giving you the equivalent of a football "yellow card".

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I always thought the best hand wins the pot. Or were all those 2+2 books lying to me? You do realize there's a difference between the best starting hand and the best hand, right? God, I hate amateurs.

Zetack

06-10-2005, 12:32 PM

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Main-streaming the game is good.
Letting the Hellmuth-babies act like little whiny-pricks is bad.

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On the other hand, ratings in tennis were always better when John McEnroe played. As far as maintstreaming goes, the mainstream likes to be entertained and seeing people lose their cool is more entertaining than a bunch of silent stone faced robots.

Me, I like an anti-abuse rule, if somebody is being abusive then a penalty can be imposed. Sure its harder than a bright line rule, and I can see why some people like a bright line rule, because there's no subjectivity to it.

But I think context is important, and I also believe that its an adult game played (at least at the WSOP) by adults. And F ck is such a short pithy way to express strong emotion.

Now if you want to put pretty much everybody in the penalty box at some point during the tournament? Ban Damn and Shyt.

--Zetack

Zetack

06-10-2005, 12:34 PM

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If you pay $10,000 into the Main Event and lose a pot with the best hand, to some amateur, the last thing you need after that depressing blow is some official giving you the equivalent of a football "yellow card".

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I always thought the best hand wins the pot. Or were all those 2+2 books lying to me? You do realize there's a difference between the best starting hand and the best hand, right? God, I hate amateurs.

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Yeah, damn amateurs, winning with the not-best-hand. Wish I could figure out how to do that...

--Zetack

Art Vandelay

06-10-2005, 12:39 PM

I think there should be a 30 minute penalty assessed when a player lays a beat on someone and then shouts "VINDICATION".

Smoothcall

06-10-2005, 12:50 PM

Whatya mean?

Daliman

06-10-2005, 02:59 PM

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Whatya mean?

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I hear Grizzle's BR is pretty bad as of late, if not nonexistent.

Also, doesn't grizzle usually not venture above 10-20 NL? I don't think Deeb would play that low on a bet. But I could be wrong.

I do understand however your inference that they are both action players.

Addendum: Witness (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/news/story?id=2082081)

raisethatmofo

06-10-2005, 03:48 PM

benfranklin

06-10-2005, 07:20 PM

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On the other hand, ratings in tennis were always better when John McEnroe played.

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YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS /images/graemlins/mad.gif /images/graemlins/mad.gif /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Daliman

06-10-2005, 10:58 PM

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only thing I saw on that video was some chick giving a massage.

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/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Smoothcall

06-11-2005, 05:45 AM

Sam doesn't need money. The way it seems is he's always broke but has people put him into big games occasionally. Not as often or as big as in the past. But occasionally. I have played alot of 15-30 with Sam in last year. That might be an indicaiton.

Well that was part of the reference but more for the fact that they will always find themselves in the penalty box because they curse more than any other 2 human beings at the poker table.