Itching to see what she had....but not willing to pay!

[balt999]

Ever wanted to see what an opponent had? Knowing you were beaten! But didn't pay to see...here's a hand I played tonight that illustrate it...

It's late-night at Mandalay Bay's 4-8 game...I just wanted to play a few hands, while I was waiting to pick up a friend working security at a Hustler's Party at the House of Blues.... /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif Of course, Mandalay Bay is hopping with georgeous women....anyway...on to the hand...

UTG straddles at $4...called by MP...I'm on the button with A /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif 9 /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif and call..SB raises...SB is an older lady who seems to be having a tough night (Maybe her husband was chasing the skirts around Mandalay /forums/images/icons/grin.gif ) BB mucks....We all call....4 to the flop

9 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 3 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif 7 /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif

SB bets....Straddler mucks...MP calls...I raise.....SB 3 bets...MP mucks..I call...Should I have mucked here....I put her on an overpair immediately....

Turn produces a 3 /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif

SB bets...I call...

River is a 4 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif .....SB bets...I think for a moment....and decide to muck...

Should I have mucked the flop 3 bet to save the trouble...

Thanks in advance...

[Ed Miller]

You can't muck to the 3-bet... you have five outs to beat an overpair with 15 bets in the pot, and you have a backdoor flush draw as well. I think you played the hand just fine, except that I would have raised preflop with a strong hand like that on the button.

[nicky g]

i think having (rightly) called the turn, you have to strongly consider calling the river. it's a biggish pot and you have to be pretty sure you will never run into a worse hand here to muck or you are losing a lot. against a player i knew well and could be sure i would muck, against someone i didn't know too well i would call, they could show up often enough with A-big here or some other nonsense to make a call necessary. you're getting 10-1, surely you are better than that to be winning.

[nicky g]

ps you also might semibluff raise the turn with top pair and the nut flush draw.

[Bob T.]

I think the size of the pot, and your curiosity combbine to make this a call on the river. You won't lay awake all night wondering whether you should have called, and you will win some of the time.

Good Luck,
Play Well,

Bob T.

[Ed Miller]

Against many an old lady, you are ahead nowhere near 1 in 11 here. Many old ladies would not exhibit that betting pattern even once in a year without an overpair. As for semibluffing the turn... again, most players of this type would not lay down the overpair.

[nicky g]

yeah i think you are right about the semi-bluff; it may just be worth a try in position IF you were going to call on the river any way, as it will likely prevent a bet on the river.
as for calling on the river: while clearly if you're up against an obvious rock/old-lady type ll player you would fold here, there are many lowlimit players who could be more likely than 11-1 to be pushing a-k or even complete garbage; a lot off ll players bluff much more than they shou, and have very little idea of what a good hand is anyway. but it's very marginal.