"Official" Live at the Bike thread (6/8)

[Kevmath]

According to their schedule, tonight will be the usual 30/60 limit game. Usually this game is really loose with many multi way pots good for several hundred dollars. Shirley "Poker-Babes.com" Rosario will return from Vegas along with Jana and Jennifer are expected to commentate, maybe some special guests will stop by, since we know the prestigious Mini-World Series of Poker is in town.

Kevin...

[VegasVixen]

And, if we're lucky, Loose Grace will lose a few pots, chug 3 bottles of wine & play even looser!

[mostsmooth]

im just hoping for some hot asian girl on girl action
oh wait, wrong forum

[VegasVixen]

hey Kev did Bart play in the 1st event of the wsop? If so, how'd he do?

[Russ McGinley]

Bart busted OOTM in the first event. Haven't heard anything else. I wonder if there will be enough people to play the 30/60 game. We may get a large dose of the 200 NL game for this month.

[Kevmath]

Tuch did finish in the 60's in Event #2 for about 5500 or so, so it seems he's ahead in Vegas.

Kevin...

[VegasVixen]

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Bart busted OOTM in the first event. Haven't heard anything else. I wonder if there will be enough people to play the 30/60 game. We may get a large dose of the 200 NL game for this month.

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OMG Russ I just noticed your loc change HAHAHA poor Russ /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Russ McGinley]

Good thing you noticed because I am going to change it soon. I'll keep everyone up to date.

[Russ McGinley]

Well Bart is back, that should tell us everything we need to know about his results /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kevmath]

Tuch needs to update more often, it took him 2 days to update on how he did in Event 2.

Kevin...

[Kevmath]

Bart,

You do know that everyone at the first Ladies' Night event was invited don't you? Liz Lieu would be a dream for GSN if they can get her.

BTW Shirley, I'm more than willing to give you a chance for you to get your $5 back, name your wager /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

Here you go Bart/Shirley, along with Creepy Staring Guy from NC State!

http://img11.echo.cx/img11/3504/2005060493837ug.jpg

[noparenthesis]

I'm almost 100% positive that seat four was featured on an A & E reality program called 'Intervention'. His name on that show was given as Gabe. He's a compulsive gambler who was homeless and living out of his car. His family organized an intervention to get him to go into a program. According to the show he left after a week or two. Anyway, he was completely out of control when he was on that show. Really sad to see that he's still at it.

[Kashie]

Nice Boob JOB.

I think if Shirley gets to a final table people will she
is quite good looking too. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Kashie]

Alot of Big name players were saying that the WSOP this year is missing alot of "Poker " games.

Like Pot limit and ETC.

This year seems to be a NO-Limit Texas Holdem marathon.
Not a real "poker" tourney.

What do you guys Think , Bart and Shirley!

[mostsmooth]

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Here you go Bart/Shirley, along with Creepy Staring Guy from NC State!

http://img11.echo.cx/img11/3504/2005060493837ug.jpg



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shes soooo hot!!!

[thirddan]

IMO, playing Axs and playing small/mid pocket pairs in EP are quite different...

not playing 77 UTG in most of the live at the bike limits games would be a huge mistake...

[Kevmath]

Here's a site that has a clip of "Gabe", looked close to me.

http://www.aetninternational.com/catalog/index.jsp

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

I love it when these guys say "big blind special!" when they CALL A PREFLOP RAISE. Morans.

[Kevmath]

How great is the laydown really when you get check raised twice in the hand (AA v K2)?

I'm sure many people smarter than me will explain this.

Kevin...

[BlackRain]

I have recently just started playing limit holdem. I was wondering if the commentators or anyone else could further comment on why you shouldn't play 77 and below and suited aces in EP.

Does this apply to really loose games where you have 5 or 6 players seeing the flop and you are probably getting correct pot odds to try and catch a set or flush draw?

[Russ McGinley]

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I have recently just started playing limit holdem. I was wondering if the commentators or anyone else could further comment on why you shouldn't play 77 and below and suited aces in EP.

Does this apply to really loose games where you have 5 or 6 players seeing and flop and you are probably getting correct pot odds to try and catch a set or flush draw?

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I'll answer because the announcers won't see this for another 15 minutes.

The problem with small pocket pairs and suited aces with weak kickers is that, in EP, what do you do when you open limp UTG+1 and its folded to the button who raises? You are getting terrible odds and are out of position. You want to play these hands in LP for one bet or when the table is loose-passive and there is not much preflop raising but a lot of limping.

Also, with suited aces, you can sometimes get into kicker trouble if you are incapable of folding when you flop an ace. For instance, you are in EP and limp with A4s, and a couple others limp. Flop is A-Q-7r. Most poor players are incapable of getting away from this flop if they take heat and will call off chips mercilessly.

[noparenthesis]

Yeah, that's most definitely the guy from Intervention. He's playing like somebody who has lost $500,000 in the past 6 years as well. Knowing this about him makes watching his terrible gutshot draws even sadder.

I wonder what the Bike's policy is on compulsive gamblers like him. Actually, it's probably open-door.:)

[Kashie]

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Yeah, that's most definitely the guy from Intervention. He's playing like somebody who has lost $500,000 in the past 6 years as well. Knowing this about him makes watching his terrible gutshot draws even sadder.

I wonder what the Bike's policy is on compulsive gamblers like him. Actually, it's probably open-door.:)

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The Bike just takes Rakes.

It doesn't bank the action.

So they are not responsible for Baby sitting.

[thirddan]

check the limit forums here for discussion of mid/small pairs and suited aces in EP...depending on the table conditions both can be profitable, while i pocket pairs are usually more profitable and somewhat easier to play...

in most games where the table is loose and aggressive postflop small pairs become very valuable, even from EP because of the huge payoff from flopping sets...

to Russ, table conditions obviously determine whether these kinds of hands should be played, however, folding them in most games will cost you money...and as for when you are isolated in EP with a small/mid pocket pair then you just have to use your knowledge of the players and your knowledge of the game to play the hand as best as possible...

[Kevmath]

Bart,

You forgot to say what's the deal about tomorrow's show that you started to mention over 20 minutes ago.

Kevin...

[Kevmath]

Gabe may want to head to intervention now after that hand.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

How do you call with 32 on an AKQ board? I'm confused.

[mostsmooth]

can one of the announcers please tell seat 6 i love her, and would she please kiss seat 1 some tim ein the next 10 minutes or so?
thanks

[gonebroke]

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How do you call with 32 on an AKQ board? I'm confused.

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If that play shocks you, then you have never played limit hold em in Southern California. This happens all day long at the local casinos in Los Angeles. That is why I call limit holdem "Bingo"...it is not poker. These guys will call all the way to the river as long as there is some type of draw. Even if it is a runner runner straight draw and/or flush draw.

[Kevmath]

I could understand that if it was like 2-4 or 3-6, but 30-60?

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

I did play, if only for about 90 minutes. It doesn't shock me as much as it confuses me. Ahhh to be rich and dumb.

[gonebroke]

Shirley's pic..scroll down:

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-photos/tournament/93/event/2005-06-06.1227

[Russ McGinley]

Wow thats, um, a, uhh, nice pic.

Seat 4 either sells insurance or used cars, take your pick.

[gonebroke]

And seat 3 yells "BINGO" and takes down the pot.

[PoqueGod]

Are any of the commentators going to play in any of the WSOP events? If so which ones and will we hear updates?

[Kevmath]

Bart ($500 Casino Employees, $1500 Limit Holdem) and Shirley ($1500 Omaha 8) played in events earlier this week. Shirley's also playing in the Main Event. They both discussed their experiences in the first hour.

Kevin...

[RamaBird]

Hello,

I was wondering why the "Live @ the Bike commentators" seem to know everything about Texas holdem poker. I am not trying to sound rude, but they seem to be inferior to all other poker player's out there. I was also wondering if seat four is Gabe?

Best Regards,

Rama B.

[gojacketz]

Look eye... Always look eye...

Gojacketz

[PoqueGod]

They are great players especially in cash games and that's why they are such good commentators.

[Kevmath]

[ QUOTE ]
Hello,

I was wondering why the "Live @ the Bike commentators" seem to know everything about Texas holdem poker. I am not trying to sound rude, but they seem to be inferior to all other poker player's out there. I was also wondering if seat four is Gabe?


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Seat 4 seemed to be the same Gabe of A&E's Intervention fame. In response to your earlier "point", you've got to be joking.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
Look eye... Always look eye...

Gojacketz

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Well if it isn't our little friend Danielle.

[TinCup]

"I am not trying to sound rude, but they seem to be inferior to all other poker player's out there. "

What do you base this statement upon? They both make nice a living at it.

[stanky]

Wow. Seat 3 is such a fish. He's calling the flop bets with nothing hoping to catch a draw. Looks like a good game. I've got to get to L.A.

[VegasVixen]

Yikes seat 2 on a roll.... /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[VegasVixen]

Grace is paying off like an ATM now, ever since she had words with Maury.... have some more wine Grace! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[RamaBird]

Hello,

Essentially, what I am saying is that the commentators’ gnit pick at everyone’s erroneous play. The player's playing at 30-60 obviously knows a lot more about poker, or they wouldn't be present. They're not in the green chip prop world.

Best Regards,

Rama B.

[razor]

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The player's playing at 30-60 obviously knows a lot more about poker, or they wouldn't be present.

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That a player is playing in a 30-60 game means ONLY that s/he is playing in a 30-60 game. There are no shortage of players playing in these games who simply do not play well.

[Russ McGinley]

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The player's playing at 30-60 obviously knows a lot more about poker, or they wouldn't be present.

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You're so wrong, you're right.

[stanky]

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The player's playing at 30-60 obviously knows a lot more about poker, or they wouldn't be present.

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Wrong. Though it is generaly true that the higher the limit the more skilled the players, there are plenty of players that have alot of money that play to have fun and are not very skilled. Seat 1 and 3 are good examples.

[TinCup]

Amen, Russ

[BlackRain]

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Hello,

Essentially, what I am saying is that the commentators gnit pick at everyone's erroneous play. The player's playing at 30-60 obviously knows a lot more about poker, or they wouldn't be present. They're not in the green chip prop world.

Best Regards,

Rama B.

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I think the commentators criticism of the play (I don't think nit-pick is the right word here) is usually bang on.
On that last hand where seat 2 tried to make a move into re raises on both the flop and turn with nothing but king high, are they wrong to critisize this play? Doesn't folding to the re raise on the flop make sense here?

[Russ McGinley]

Seat 3 annoys me. If I won a pot against him I'd point at my winning card and put it in his face until the floor came and ripped the cards out of my hands.

[RamaBird]

Hello,

If you're going to quote me, please don't revise my quote by putting in numbers and symbols. Sure, these players' are playing bad, however there is no need to critique their style of play. Too much green prop, and no limit low limit stakes analysts going on. If you cannot play the stakes, don't say unethical things about the players' that take the risk.

Best Regards,

Rama B.

[Russ McGinley]

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Hello,

If you're going to quote me, please don't revise my quote by putting in numbers and symbols.

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http://trephination.net/gallery/macros/internet.gif

[VegasVixen]

Russ can you please explain the Cobra thingy? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Russ McGinley]

http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/karate-kid/karate-kid14.jpg

Sensei Kreese: "Don't put numbers and symbols in my quotes or I'll smash your face in, punk."

Bobby: "YES SENSEI!"

[BlackRain]

I didn't put those numbers in the quote. I saw it after I posted and I am not sure what happened. It was some glitch in the software that I cannot control and it did not alter what you actually said in any case.

As for the rest of your comments. Not even going to bother.

[BlackRain]

And I edited the quote to clear up any further confusion. LOL

[stanky]

[ QUOTE ]
Hello,

If you're going to quote me, please don't revise my quote by putting in numbers and symbols. Sure, these players' are playing bad, however there is no need to critique their style of play. Too much green prop, and no limit low limit stakes analysts going on. If you cannot play the stakes, don't say unethical things about the players' that take the risk.

Best Regards,

Rama B.

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All right fess up, who owns this gimmick account?

[Russ McGinley]

Dead

[RamaBird]

Hello,

I've had enough for one night. Thanks for the laugh, guys. What is it meant by dead, Russ? I am only joking with the commentators, they're good players. I have played with them before.

Regards,

Rama B.

[stanky]

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Dead

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I knew it! lol

[Russ McGinley]

They must be getting some moranic e-mails tonight. "What are your UTG raising hands?" WTF do you think they are, morans? Stop sending in dumb e-mails.

[RamaBird]

Bart,

Laugh out Loud! Thanks for the on air comment. I am only joking with you. These players are terrible, and in the future I will be making my live at the bike appearance. The world will see who I am, although I already play at the bike.

Regards,

Rama B.

[BlackRain]

Damage control time. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Russ McGinley]

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Laugh out Loud!

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/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[RamaBird]

Hello,

What is Bart's handle on 2+2? They seem to monitor the fourm but never reply.

[Russ McGinley]

Bart's handle is jakethebake.

[Sparks]

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How great is the laydown really when you get check raised twice in the hand (AA v K2)?

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I'm all for critical commentary, and Bart, Tuch, Jana, and Jennifer know that because I've chatted with all of them about it. I'm obviously biased but I think their calling my play a good laydown from the booth was accurate.

It's worth saying (yet again) that when you see the cards all the players have during the broadcast, it makes good plays seem obvious, and bad plays seem pathetic.

Without having the luxury of seeing the piece of cheese the guy was playing, with $600 in the pot, and with an over-pair to a raggedy-ass board against yet another 30-60 live-at-the-bike spaz, it's not THAT easy to lay the aces down.

Sparks

[TomHimself]

Can someone give me a link to where i can watch this?

[Russ McGinley]

www.thebike.com/live_at_the_bike (http://www.thebike.com/live_at_the_bike)

Wednesday-Saturday, 9pm-1pm EST (6pm-10pm PST)