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gobboboy
06-08-2005, 06:39 PM
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (21.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls $1 (All-In).

Final Pot: 27.75 BB

Twitch1977
06-08-2005, 06:42 PM
If we knew the suits of the cards it would help.

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gobboboy
06-08-2005, 06:52 PM
Sorry, C&amp;P'ed from another forum and the suits didn't work. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Iron Tigran
06-09-2005, 06:10 AM
With no reads, I'd say you could be up against AK and TT, both of which can call 2 cold PF.

Phlebas
06-09-2005, 06:19 AM
The river isn't scary. MP1 and CO wouldn't be 3-betting/capping the turn with gutshot draws. Without any reads, most likely you are up against at least one set and should probably have folded on the turn when it was 2 to you. If you don't think that a set is likely then you should have capped the flop and led out on the turn (but I would still have folded if it was then 2 bets back to me).

Iq75
06-09-2005, 06:43 AM
The action on the turn indicates that you are behind on the turn (one should not play flush draw like that on the turn, but who knows whitout reads...).

I would put them on TT and AK or KT if one of them coldcalls very loosely (it is also possible that MP1 has KK, but does not want to "loose customers"). In that scenario you are drawing to 2 outs. I think that this one should be folded in the turn when it was 2 to you, but i'm not sure if i could have done it my self.

walkertullaris
06-09-2005, 06:55 AM
How would a KQx, AKx be played in this hand at the turn?
Could someone bet the turn for value with this hand or would that be completly wrong with that flop action (fearing a set)?

aK13
06-09-2005, 07:40 AM
Dump the turn when its 2 back to you

edit: whoever shows you AK, take a note down and isolate his laggy ass.

Fantam
06-09-2005, 08:18 AM
I think the flop betting looks pretty scary also!

When the flop is raised and 3-bet I think that you are most likely looking at a couple of sets being out there. I would have preferred to fold to the flop 3-bet.

Anyway if you decide to see the turn, I would definitely fold to the turn raise unimproved. I think it is now clear that you are beaten and have to hit an A to win.

Unless you had a very good read on both your opponents being total maniacs, I think you stayed in this hand for too long.

Chris Daddy Cool
06-09-2005, 08:34 AM
unless your opponents are complete nutjobs you should be folding this turn when its two bets to you.

defence18
06-09-2005, 09:18 AM
Just curious as to why you didn't cap the flop? Afraid of KT? Even with the KT possibility, I think I'd still be capping.

imported_The Vibesman
06-09-2005, 10:21 AM
I would check/fold the turn here. It may seem weak, but I'm thinking that pocket 10's is an easy cold-call before the flop; I'm not sure I would cold-call K-10, even with position, but someone else might (and honestly I would at the right table.) Heads-up you could just call down, but these players are going to drive up the price for you to stay in and I think you have to be behind to at least one of them.

bghbgh2
06-09-2005, 10:35 AM
With those turn bets, I would have gathered that at least one of them was representing two pair. Without knowing the table more, it's hard to say. Assuming that these were tight players (I honestly don't know the difference yet between Tight Aggressive and Tight Passive), I would have folded. Wrong, right? (I'm new to poker).

EDIT: Gah, I'm wrong -- why would they have stayed pre-flop raises with marginal hands. Either way -- I would have folded 4th street. Comments?

krimson
06-09-2005, 10:43 AM
I'd cap the flop and lead the turn as the 3-bet could easily be an AK trying to protect. If raised again you can probably safely fold.