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1C5

06-08-2005, 03:50 PM

Rather than flood the board with 1000 posts, I will put them here. These are from my 20 buy in downswing last night. Just want to check a few hands to see what others would do.

ALL FROM PARTY 22

Hand 1:

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SB (t1225)
Hero (t1660)
UTG (t2800)
MP (t1540)
Button (t775)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to t400, 2 folds, HERO ?.

Hand 2

Early, no read, he won his money without a showdown prior to this hand.

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MP1 (t772)
MP2 (t1835)
CO (t730)
Button (t1000)
SB (t640)
BB (t1385)
Hero (t955)
UTG+1 (t683)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises to t150, 6 folds, BB raises to t1000, Hero ?

Hand 3

Pretend you call the bet with TT here, even if you don't. Flop comes, now what?

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CO (t1060)
Button (t2925)
SB (t535)
Hero (t750)
UTG (t2175)
MP (t555)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG raises to t150, 4 folds, Hero calls t100.

Flop: (t325) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero ?

Hand 4

Big stack has been raising lots and aggressive. This was his 1st min raise though.

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Hero (t1205)
Button (t1270)
SB (t910)
BB (t340)
UTG (t4275)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises to t400, Hero ?

Hand 5

Another AK early hand with a reraise but not an all in this time. No reads, your play?

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CO (t960)
Button (t835)
SB (t1315)
BB (t670)
UTG (t760)
Hero (t840)
MP2 (t2620)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to t75, 1 fold, CO raises to t200, 3 folds, Hero ?

Hand 6

AK, lots of callers on a scary board.

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SB (t770)
BB (t800)
UTG (t580)
UTG+1 (t1100)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
Hero (t790)
Button (t775)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, 3 folds, MP3 calls t15, Hero raises to t45, 3 folds, UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, MP3 calls t30.

Flop: (t205) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
UTG bets t225, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero ?

Hand 7

Bubble hand. 3 similiar stacks, big blinds. I have AJ. Your play? Player has been rather tight so far.

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BB (t1130)
UTG (t1110)
Button (t4910)
Hero (t850)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG raises to t1110 (All-In), 1 fold, HERO ?

Hand 8

Smallish stack with 8 left. Push here or wait?

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CO (t765)
Button (t605)
SB (t2110)
BB (t815)
UTG (t1050)
UTG+1 (t1215)
Hero (t520)
MP2 (t920)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, Hero ?

Hand 9

Lots of limpers, signifiant blinds and you have AQ. Do you see the flop or push PF?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t535)
Hero (t840)
UTG (t635)
UTG+1 (t1220)
MP1 (t1595)
MP2 (t770)
CO (t1115)
Button (t1290)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t100, 1 fold, MP1 calls t100, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero ?

Thanks for the replies!

1C5

06-08-2005, 03:52 PM

Please notice the poll starts at hand 9 for some reason. Not sure why.

durron597

06-08-2005, 03:58 PM

Hand 6:

Can I vote for "Hero raises more preflop?"

1C5

06-08-2005, 04:02 PM

NO! But I will raise more next time. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

1C5

06-08-2005, 04:05 PM

Also, sorry they are messed up in order, not sure how that happened either.

therock

06-08-2005, 04:10 PM

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NO! But I will raise more next time. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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This was in reference to the AK, the small pre-flop raise, then seeing a K,Q,J flop vs. several opponents. This looks like one of those cases that you know exactly how to play the hand but for some reason you get cute and it gets you in a bad spot. I do that some times with AA/KK/QQ in the early levels. For some stupid reason I limp from EP, see a flop vs 6 opponents, then proceed to lose 1/3 of my stack. I know it should not be done but there is some majic in the air that makes me click "Call 20" instead of raising. If you are having a bad run you need to concentrate real hard on playing the right way. Good luck.

1C5

06-08-2005, 04:12 PM

I know, there were just a couple thread yesterday discussing this exact same thing.

durron597

06-08-2005, 04:13 PM

To the people who check hand 3, what is your line if villian bets at you?

I feel a bet is mandatory to define your hand and you take down the pot a lot of the time.

therock

06-08-2005, 04:17 PM

Hand 3 - with the 10/10 in the big blind. I had almost the exact same scenario as you last night. After I called pre-flop, I realized the stack sizes were not right and I was going to have a real tough time playing the flop. You know an overcard is coming and you don't have enoghs chips to make a stab out of position. I would push or fold preflop, depending on the opponent. No reads, I probably push because I'm reckless.

UMTerp

06-08-2005, 04:41 PM

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No reads, I probably push because I'm reckless.

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Check-raising all-in is better than pushing IMO. You know he's going to bet, and you really don't want AK out of the pot here. The only better hand you possibly push out by taking the initiative is JJ.

valenzuela

06-08-2005, 04:49 PM

1)FOLD: gap, stacks, ure hoping for a coinflip if u push, matusow would kill u.
2)CALL: AK
3)dunno( whats the point of giving advice when u dont have a clue)
4)fold: gap, ICM( not sure but i THINK this is correct)
5)see number 3
6)ALL-IN: tptk, not enough draws( bring on the flush/ straight draws..AT very unlikely, T9 whatever, they suck ull beat them in the long run)
7)see number 4.
8)sigh, come on u know better than this.
9)see number 3.

Dr_Jeckyl_00

06-08-2005, 04:52 PM

[ QUOTE ]
To the people who check hand 3, what is your line if villian bets at you?

I feel a bet is mandatory to define your hand and you take down the pot a lot of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]

I checked b/c I could not puuush (but I seem to be pushing in the wrong spots lately). Right now (after the flop) I am thinking I could very likely have best hand and I want to end it now. I act first, so if I check, he will definitly bet. He is the chip leader I believe, so if you're going to get involved you need to be aggressive... the choices should have been push, check or fold...

UMTerp

06-08-2005, 04:59 PM

[ QUOTE ]
He is the chip leader I believe, so if you're going to get involved you need to be aggressive... the choices should have been push, check or fold...

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, you're not open-folding, so the choices should've been push, check-fold, or check-raise. I think either of the latter two are better than the first.

durron597

06-08-2005, 05:02 PM

Check-raising is bad because any bet he makes pot commits him. Check-folding is extremely weak tight.

This is just a tough spot.

UMTerp

06-08-2005, 05:04 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Check-raising is bad because any bet he makes pot commits him. Check-folding is extremely weak tight.

[/ QUOTE ]

The check-raise would obviously be all-in.

And any pot you play postflop is going to be for all your chips. I already explained why I thought a check-raise was better than a push. Hence, I think the two best options are check-fold or check-raise. I'm definitely checking the flop though. If you check and he pushes, you're just going to have to make a tough decision (I think I'd usually call that, as a huge hand tends to milk at this level).

FWIW, I'm pushing preflop so I'm not in this quandry, but I'm trying to rationalize the best move given the situation at hand.

future

06-08-2005, 05:13 PM

Let's say you call. You're going to miss the flop a majority of the time and you're out of position. IMO you should just push preflop.

future

06-08-2005, 05:19 PM

How can you call this early? If you fold you still have T805 and can make your way into the money by stealing blinds later on. If you call you're a coinflip at best and still aren't guaranteed anything if you win.

UMTerp

06-08-2005, 05:21 PM

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How can you call this early? If you fold you still have T805 and can make your way into the money by stealing blinds later on. If you call you're a coinflip at best and still aren't guaranteed anything if you win.

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You're severely overestimating the quality of hand a random $22 player will make this bet with.

I think that on average, the opponent in Hand 5 will have a bigger hand than the one in Hand 2. Judging by your responses, I guess you think the opposite.

vinyard

06-08-2005, 05:38 PM

Hand 1. Fold You are at best a conflip against any two cards he's raising. At a 22 I can see a strong player lay down an all in here with a less than preminum hand but there aren't that many strong players there.

Hand 2. I fold here. You have plenty of chips, are likely up against a pair and possibly two.

Hand 3. I get half to three quarters pot. I suspect that is wrong.

Hand 4. I smell monster. Fold.

Hand 5. I have been folding more to two raises with big slick to two raises especially at lower levels.

hand 6. You have to raise more pre-flop I think. 115? 125? I prolly push that flop with top pair and the four flush to the nut.

Hand7 Push. You have no FE after the hand.

Hand 8 Push - seems trivial.

Hand 9 Push - see hand 8

OK, now I get to see what the actual players have to say.

Newt_Buggs

06-08-2005, 07:32 PM

These are some good hand examples
1. This is one of my biggest problems because I am liable to push here and get myself into trouble. If the the player isn't loose and if he has miniraised before then I am liable to push, but otherwise its probably best to not be a LAG like me and to just let it go.

2. looks like a pocket, but could also be a donk w Ax leaning me towards calling.

3. push or fold preflop. Since you did call, checkraise all in. He's almost certain to make a continuation bet, and if you are ahead (which is a high possibility) then at least you will get some dead money in the pot or get him to make a stupid call with AK.

I'll get to the rest when I've finished studying