$11 SnG: Wrong to Push? [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

Dr_Jeckyl_00

06-08-2005, 09:35 AM

I recently learned from all of you 2+2ers about the power of pushing in the bubble. But I think I may be taking pushing too far in earlier parts of my game, afterall there is no skill involved when you push. Did I play these hands correctly (5 hands from 4 different games)

PS Not looking for sympathy, want honest feedback on my push

Game A

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t810)
Hero (t790)
MP2 (t635)
MP3 (t770)
CO (t735)
Button (t980)
SB (t1580)
BB (t785)
UTG (t915)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero calls t15, MP2 calls t15, 2 folds, Button raises to t30, SB raises to t150, 1 fold, Hero raises to t790 (All-In), MP2 folds, Button calls t760, SB raises to t1430, Button calls t190 (All-In).

Flop: (t3230) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t3230) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3230) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t3230

Game B

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t2608)
Hero (t760)
CO (t1337)
Button (t710)
SB (t810)
BB (t1155)
UTG (t455)
UTG+1 (t165)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t165 (All-In), MP1 calls t165, Hero raises to t760 (All-In), CO calls t760, 3 folds, MP1 folds.

Flop: (t1895) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t1895) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t1895) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t1895

Game C

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1160)
UTG (t1648)
MP (t2242)
Button (t1220)
SB (t1730)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t100, MP calls t100, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t350) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t1060 (All-In), UTG folds, MP calls t1060.

Turn: (t2470) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2470) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2470

Game D
Hand 1

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, 3 folds, Hero calls t15, 2 folds, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t75) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB bets t15, BB folds, UTG calls t15, Hero raises to t75, Button folds, SB folds, UTG calls t60.

Turn: (t240) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets t95, Hero raises to t190, UTG calls t95.

River: (t620) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets t125, Hero calls t125.

Final Pot: t870

Hand 2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t1135)
CO (t500)
Hero (t455)
SB (t680)
BB (t670)
UTG (t1525)
UTG+1 (t355)
MP1 (t1115)
MP2 (t1565)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG raises to t70, 5 folds, Hero raises to t455 (All-In), 2 folds, UTG calls t385.

Flop: (t955) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t955) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t955) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t955

durron597

06-08-2005, 09:40 AM

Game A: Fold preflop.
Game B: Fine.
Game C: Push preflop.
Game D H1: Raise preflop.
Game D H2: Meh, pushing certainly isn't wrong.

Dr_Jeckyl_00

06-08-2005, 11:01 AM

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Game A: Fold preflop.
Game B: Fine.
Game C: Push preflop.
Game D H1: Raise preflop.
Game D H2: Meh, pushing certainly isn't wrong.

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Why do you advocate pushing PF in Game C and only raising in game D, H1? Both hands are AQ... b/c of size of blinds or is game C a bubble push? I thought that it was not good to push in the bubble with 2 limpers, one of which is big stack... I am not being defensive, I just want to understand (I am still fine tuning my bubble play)

junkmail3

06-08-2005, 11:21 AM

What level is this?

1: Fold. It's way to early and your stack is just fine. TT against two raisese is bad news. You've got plenty of time to work it from here. (And you're no where near the bubble)

2: See above. (If MP1 didn't call, I might push to isolate with a potentially/probably much better hand ... but I'd still be nervous of getting called)

3: You could push preflop here ... I would push here.

4: I might just call the turn, but otherwise it looks good to me. But I don't think I mind raising again. If he bets much bigger, I might think about folding.

5: I would limp or fold this preflop and take it from there. I know you're getting into trouble with your stack size (and the previous hands give me the reasoning behind that. Play tighter in the lower levels, yeah even tighter than folding AQo perflop.) Facing a raise, in this position with this hand and your stack, you know you're going to get called, and I just don't know if you need to push yet with a raiser in front of you. But I might be convinced to push here ... though I think I'm waiting.

junkmail3

06-08-2005, 11:23 AM

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Why do you advocate pushing PF in Game C and only raising in game D, H1?

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Bubble, limpers, stack sizes, good hand late in the game.