River action in 40/80?

[DcifrThs]

game is pretty good at the wynn. Enon, i dont have this one written down so help me out w/ the board...but here goes.

i find QQ no clubs in the bb. utg (bad player) limps, MP1 limps (woman who has a pretty large stack of chips in front of her but i cant recollect her being in a single showdown or in fact anything more than her blinds in a pot, bad playing MP2 raises, Enon 3bets in the CO, folded to me i 4 bet. bad player calls, MP1 calls those 2 cold, MP2 now caps, all call.

7c5c2s i bet utg calls MP1 calls bad pla yer calls enon calls.

6 or 4 of crubs. i bet utg folds, MP1 calls MP2 cals enon folds.

river is the 4 or 6 non clubs. i bet MP1 now raises, MP2 folds i fold. i *almost* never fold for 1bb in big pots on the river, but i thought this was a time to do it...i didn't like checking because the i still felt i'd be called by hands that i beat and only raised by hands that are way stronger than mine (from MP1) and that MP2 would definately be calling the 80.

-Barron

[Paluka]

Pot seems way to big to use the "bet and fold to a raise" line.

[surfdoc]

Were the turn and river the same number card or different? i.e. what is the final board?

[SoBeDude]

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Were the turn and river the same number card or different? i.e. what is the final board?

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Yea, if the board put a 4-straight out I'm more inclined to fold to the raise. if the turn and river were the same card I'm calling the raise 100%

-Scott

[DcifrThs]

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Were the turn and river the same number card or different? i.e. what is the final board?

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Yea, if the board put a 4-straight out I'm more inclined to fold to the raise. if the turn and river were the same card I'm calling the raise 100%

-Scott

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turn was either the 6 or 4...the river was the OTHER card that the turn was not for a final board of the 4straight and 3flush.

-Barron

[gonores]

What Paluka said...any river line that involves folding for one bet sucks here.

[Klepton]

this is almost like a bad beat post, just make the crying call

[DcifrThs]

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this is almost like a bad beat post, just make the crying call

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why? what does she have?

Barron

[Clarkmeister]

Physical description or name of MP1?

[DcifrThs]

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Physical description or name of MP1?

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short haired (kinda red) 50ish woman who had about 5k in $10chips in front of her

no name
Barron

[Clarkmeister]

No clue.

Anyways, it's probably a good fold, except that you violated Clarky Rule #14: If you make a big laydown and feel the need to post it later, it couldn't have been a good fold.

[DcifrThs]

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No clue.

Anyways, it's probably a good fold, except that you violated Clarky Rule #14: If you make a big laydown and feel the need to post it later, it couldn't have been a good fold.

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yea, makes sense...so what are the other x# of rules?

Barron

[Clarkmeister]

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yea, makes sense...so what are the other x# of rules?

Barron

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I make them up as I go along. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[onegymrat]

Hi Barron,

Especially because you have no real read on MP1 and MP2 will call down, why wouldn't check-calling be better in this specific situation where there is such a coordinated board and a rather large pot?

[PokerBabe(aka)]

Of course, since we don't know what the actual cards were on the river, this handreading exercise becomes more difficult (lol).

I put your lady (name unknown) on pocket 8s for the rivered straight.

LGPG

Babe

P.S. Are you playing at Wynn exclusively ? I would like to meet you so PM me with your Thurs and Friday schedule.

[ggbman]

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i didn't like checking because the i still felt i'd be called by hands that i beat and only raised by hands that are way stronger than mine (from MP1) and that MP2 would definately be calling the 80.

-Barron

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On a board with a 4 straight and 3 flush, there are are far less hands calling a river bet worse then yours then you think IMO, whereas checking you may induce a desperate bluff from the ace of clubs or something to that degree. Also since this pot is huge, you really want to showdown, but do so as cheaply as possible.

[DcifrThs]

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Hi Barron,

Especially because you have no real read on MP1 and MP2 will call down, why wouldn't check-calling be better in this specific situation where there is such a coordinated board and a rather large pot?

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thats the reason i want to bet and fold to a raise. because there's 3 bpeople in the pot a raise is not likely to be a bluff. MP1 knows MP2 is calling a lot, playing hands too far etc...i'd like to get value and fold to the raise...

however looking back, its probably betting to check call in these situations, but i think that gives up a bit of ev...but it does provide 100% security in knowing you saw the showdown.

-Barron

[onegymrat]

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but it does provide 100% security in knowing you saw the showdown.

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That's what I left out also, but wanted to say, as well as finally seeing what MP1 plays up front. The only thing I would fear by checking is that MP1 bets and MP2 bluff raises rather than call. I agree of course, that you are badly beaten, but still nice to see what she sucked out with.