I hate myself for this hand...PS $20+2

[vindikation]

In hindsight I should have folded preflop and let the other smaller stacks go out, what do you think? The button wasn't getting too involved, mainly staying out of the way for the most part.

PokerStars $20+2 No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1815)
UTG (t1165)
Button (t9115)
SB (t1405)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1790</font>, Button calls t190.

Flop: (t3630) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t3630) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t3630) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3630

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qs Qd (one pair, queens).
Button has Ac 7c (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Button wins t3630. </font>

[dhende3]

Negatory... I am very tight on calling in bubble situations and I definitely push this.

[lorinda]

I think I could fold Jacks here, I believe Queens is just a bit too powerful.
You're far from guaranteed a cash if you try to fold in.

Edit: I tell you what I don't do though, I don't put the last 190 chips in until he makes me.

Lori

[lastchance]

Stop and go? Or just check down hoping to showdown?

I think stop and go is better, even though you have QQ. You want to make him fold since you're giving him 20:1 odds.

[lorinda]

To be honest, I might do either depending on my mood.

Most likely would be a super-stop-and-go where I hope for check/check on the flop and then bet the turn.

Lori

[Karak567]

According to eastbay's program, calling an all-in from the button here with QQ is very read dependent.

If the button is an average or tight player, it is -EV (-.2 % at average, -3.5 % EV at tight). Although the average one is too close to call.

If the button is loose or a maniac it is +EV (+.9 % at loose, +1.4 % at maniac) Again you can say these are too close to call.

It's your decision, really.

[lorinda]

I am not surprised by those results under 'normal' circumstances (Whatever they might be /images/graemlins/tongue.gif ). I would imagine here that the button can be classed as maniac, because if he's any good at all, he's pushing every hand.

Lori

[vindikation]

I'd say that the big stack on the button was raising maybe every third time. He wasn't crushing the smaller stacks, but he wasn't letting us float by either. I'd say he was maybe 50% aggresive?

[lorinda]

Why did you put the 190 in? Was it just a "Let's see who wins the shootout" move, or did you honestly believe he might fold preflop.

This is only a tiny ROI error, but it's a very simple playing error that I see all the time on here (I think dfscott got told off by me for the same thing recently)

Lori

[vindikation]

I only had $190 left if I didn't raise and I was in the Small Blind the next hand (which was $200), I didn't think I would pick up something better than QQ the next hand.

Honestly it was more a split second reaction. I saw the 2 Poker Star buttons pop up "CALL" &amp; "RAISE $190" so I figured WTF, I'd only have $190 left and have QQ, and clicked the "RAISE $190" button.

If I didn't fold this hand I was all in this hand or the next hand.

[lorinda]

We've all done it, and most people don't even find out it's an error.

The main thing is that if you win this pot, 190 more chips hardly matters, but if you lose it 190 is a lot more than zero.

Of course it's not a grave error ROI-wise because 95% of the time the chips go in anyway, whether you want them to or not, I just like to nag to get people to think logically at all times.

Lori

[vindikation]

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.

Does having the Small Blind $200 the next hand make any difference? If I was on the button the next hand instead of the Small Blind I can see more of a case of not calling off my last $190.

What do you think?

[treeofwisdom7]

i think the guys posted above gave good guidlines..

[lorinda]

It just gives you two shots to survive.

If it was 400-500 or something, then I stick it in because it's an amount worth doubling, but 190 chips is almost meaningless if you win this 3400 chip pot.

I don't think the size of the small blind matters really. If I had 1 chip here I would not call it, 1000 I would, somewhere in between it doesn't matter.

I must stress you must never fold for the 190 here post flop, but you're looking to use it to your advantage, either by a longshot attempt at a stop go, or an extra shot in the blinds next hand.

If you are in the tourney one extra hand every now and again, you never know what might happen on that hand.

Lori

[vindikation]

Cool, thanks!

[Newt_Buggs]

[ QUOTE ]

If you are in the tourney one extra hand every now and again, you never know what might happen on that hand.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]
plus you get to be a dick and give the big stack a chance to bully the other short stacks /images/graemlins/grin.gif