Giving 30/60 another shot AA

[smurph]

SB is a maniac, Button is a big fish.
Do i put in 3 more BB to showdown?

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero folds, Button calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

[tl65\]

I'd have a hard time folding to a raise from the maniac. He could very easily have a smaller pair and be trying to isolate with the fish and get you to fold either AK or a mid to large pair, since that's all you've represented so far. It sucks to call here, but you're getting 12.5:2 immediate odds and it'll probably end up being either 13.5 or 15.5 to 3 and I really believe you're certainly good enough to warrant a call. You didnt mention what kind of fish the button is, but probably an aggressive fish, considering the game, but if hes real passive, i have a harder time calling.

[zokbarjazz]

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SB is a maniac, Button is a big fish

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Flop: (13 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls...

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I think this is a problem. The fish and the maniac are acting exactly like you would expect them to. You have no reason to assume you're behind.

[smurph]

Fish is a passive fish. Maniac is such preflop, but I guess he becomes more of a very aggro thinking LAG post flop. I thought he knew I had a big pair KK-AA and wanted me to call 2 cold.

[Senor Choppy]

It doesn't look like the SB has a Q when he checks the turn again. His check-raise looks like he stumbled into an opportunity to isolate the button and knock you off the best hand, and the button's bet is often automatic in these situations.

Once you're faced with 2-cold on the turn, I'd call and see what the button does. Fold if he raises again, head to the showdown otherwise.

[tl65\]

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Turn: (9.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero folds, Button calls.



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Oops, i didnt notice that was a checkraise. I thought the fish lead into the raiser. It's looking even more like the the button's weak and SB sees the chance to knock you out

[Klepton]

wow you got owned

[DeeJ]

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thought he knew I had a big pair KK-AA

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With LAGs I find this is rarely the case. Dunno about this specific guy, but with Aces against fish/lags I'm calling down every time unless the board is horrible and the bets convince me otherwise.

[smurph]

SB has Qc Jh (three of a kind, queens).
Button has 4h 4d (two pair, queens and fours).
Outcome: SB wins 15.50 BB.