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droolie

06-06-2005, 09:03 PM

This was a lousy table with a mixture of LAG's and TAG's.

Hand 1:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (9 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB raises, UTG folds, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, MP folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Hand 3:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif.
4 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Hand 4:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Hand 5:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Hand 6:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (7.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Hand 7:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (2 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (2 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (4 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Hand 8:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif.
4 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: (3 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: 3 BB

Hand 9:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Hand 10:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

MrWookie47

06-06-2005, 10:06 PM

Hand 1: I fold the flop. You got caught stealing, and you only really have a backdoor flush. Fortunately, you runner-runner goot.

Hand 2: Nice, but sorry about getting shown a crappy 2 pair.

Hand 3: I think I fold the river without a good read on SB.

Hand 4: I think I fold the flop again w/o a read on villain. You're probably drawing to 3 outs or less. Looks like you got a chop.

Hand 5: I fold preflop. Barring that, I fold the turn.

Hand 6: I check the river, and I don't think I'm overcalling.

Hand 7: I think this is good. You could consider raising the flop, however.

Hand 8: I fold preflop. Barring that, nice.

Hand 9: Nice.

Hand 10: Preflop call is marginal. I fold the river.

You seem to be getting the hang of things, but would you really call down with A high against a preflop capper, or open-raise 62s in the SB in a full ring game when it was folded appropriately? It's still the same game, even if there are 4 fewer people at the table. You might have more success if you thought about things more like full ring.

ClaytonN

06-06-2005, 10:13 PM

Hand 1: Meh on flop and turn.
Hand 2: g00t
Hand 3: Raise the crap out of that flop
Hand 4: Take the lead in the hand earlier. Stop and go on the turn, maybe.
Hand 5: Not a fan of raising that from the button, but oh well. Raise the flop, you hit it, you're getting too passive.
Hand 6: good
Hand 7: wtf raise somewhere. prob flop.
Hand 8: Dunno
Hand 9: Cap preflop, get aggro on flop, go from there
Hand 10: No limping from button. Never. Raise that or fold.

MrWookie47

06-06-2005, 10:17 PM

I disagree when you say never limp from the button. For example, two loose, passive limpers who chase too far to you on the button with 22. You say raise or fold? No way, man. If limping that is wrong, I don't want to be right.

SteveL91

06-06-2005, 10:18 PM

Is your "fold" button broken or something? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hand 1: Eh. You completely missed that flop. If he'll 3-bet light enough that your J's and maybe 8's would be good, I guess I can see peeling.

Hand 2: Fine without a read.

Hand 3: I'd raise the flop and go from there. As you played it, I'm not sure why you called the river. Maybe every once in a while, but I think this is spewing without a read.

Hand 4: What are you chasing on the flop? You can't win them all. The T's have dubious value, but I guess they count for something. I I don't like the river bet. He's not folding an A and you're going to end up getting raised pretty often.

Hand 5: Just do yourself a favor and fold pre-flop. Either the people you're playing against have been getting really good cards, or they're picking up on the fact that you're raising light and playing like a calling station (assuming all of these hands are from the same session).

Hand 6: Why are you betting the river into two other players on that board?

Hand 7: You need to make a play for this pot at some point. I'd probably raise the flop, but you can't just keep calling down.

Hand 8: I'd fold pre-flop. I think you're getting played back at way too much to get this tricky.

Hand 9: This hand I can see calling down. Might even consider raising the turn.

Hand 10: Eh. I don't know that I'd limp, but since you did, I'd just fold the turn.

hicherbie

06-06-2005, 10:29 PM

hand 3: id raise for a free card on the flop.
if he kept up the agg id ditch it on the river.

hand 4: i only peel one off here. the donkbet is questionable as well.

hand 6: i normally like that play because of the board, but is highly read dependent. id value bet that river carefully...usually i dont try and get too cute with 3 other people in the hand. id probably check the flop.

hand 7: throw in a raise on the flop and consider what to do from there.

hand 9: raise the river and toss to a reraise.

hand 10: wasnt hand 1 a J8s raise from the button? raise this & check that turn.

a lot of these postflop spots need raises and folds. which one is read dependent i think.

SCfuji

06-06-2005, 10:57 PM

hand 1
this flop is close. id say you are about a 5:1 dog here against most hands the sb 3-bets. rest of the streets are fine.

hand 2

looks okay

hand 3

sucks that it got capped on you but id say you should call the sb raise 50% of the time and 3 bet him 50% of the time. fold the river.

hand 4

river bet doesnt do much. check and see what happens. i probably call because im a split pot loving idiot.

hand 5

i dont steal with Q6o. is that a leak?

hand 6

check the river

hand 7

looks good

hand 8

fire the turn. anybody will call with any two cards on that flop. if he likes his hand on the turn then give up.

hand 9

looks good

hand 10

fold to the turn check raise

gvibes

06-06-2005, 11:42 PM

Hand 1: Excepting metagame considerations, I think I fold the flop, even getting 10:1. Our only strong out is a bdfd. However, we have either 3 or 6 outs here a lot of the time. Meh. I don't think a call is bad. I think I play the rest of the hand the same, though I'd be tempted to raise the turn.

Hand 2: Without a read, I play it the same. However, there are a lot of people out there I 3-bet the turn against.

Hand 3: I think I'd end up raising somewhere. Maybe the turn. I also think I fold the river.

Hand 4: I may fold the turn. I really hate the turn bet. You aren't getting a Q to fold, and a Q may raise. I don't think a A will fold here either. I just check call.

Hand 5: Fold preflop. My ATSB is mid 30's, and with typical 1/2 loose blinds, I raise Q8o 100% of the time, and Q7o sometimes. I don't really mind a calldown. A turn raise/take a free showdown may be nice, as you may get a worse Q to fold every once in a while, and it's a easy fold to a 3-bet.

Hand 6: I really hate these situations. I would probably c/call the river, to be frank, but I wouldn't be happy with the hand.

Hand 7: tough one - I suppose this isn't a bad line, if you think he'd bet a naked 10 all the way. If not, fold the river. I also raise the flop sometimes.

Hand 8: WTH? Fold preflop.

Hand 9: without a read, I will usually fold the turn. His line seems a little donkish though, so a calldown with second pair/Tk doesn't seem horrible.

Hand 10: If I'm playing well, I fold the turn.

Well, let's see how my view compares (I supposed I "grunched").

Isura

06-07-2005, 12:28 AM

Hand 1: Fold the flop.

Hand 2: Okay I guess. I might fold the river UI.

Hand 3: Fold river. You're not beating many pf capping hands.

Hand 4: I don't mind the river bluff. It will be tough for AJ-AK to call this down, but a loose player would never fold AK and maybe AQ here. Check/folding is also a decent option since you'll get a free showdown often when you check.

Hand 5: I'd fold preflop, but rest is fine.

Hand 6: Check/fold river unless both are idiots. Then check/call.

Hand 7: Raise flop. I don't like the calldown line here.

Hand 8: I'd fold preflop. 62s on of the worst 25% of hands.
In your hand, terrible turn check.

hand 9: Looks good.

Hand 10: Fold river.

mmbt0ne

06-07-2005, 01:11 AM

Hand 1: I don't see where you can get away from it
Hand 2: Standard
Hand 3: I really hate that a lot of Ax hands beat you, or tie. You're only winning this whole pot on a K-hi bluff
Hand 4: If you're going to donkbet, do it on the turn. You can fold to a raise, and check-fold the river UI.
Hand 5: Ok I guess, depending on how you think SB plays.
Hand 6: Standard
Hand 7: I really like it
Hand 8: Sucky flop. I rarely try to steal with a hand that weak OOP though. Good job giving up at least.
Hand 9: That turn bet smells funny. I really think he'd check-raise a Q. I thought about raising, but you might as well get to a showdown. I highly doubt he's folding a better hand anywhere.
Hand 10: Standard

mmbt0ne

06-07-2005, 01:16 AM

Everyone folding the flop on hand 1 has a leak I think. You're getting 10:1 with backdoor draws, and plenty of outs on your 8s and Js. This is a steal raise from the button. SB is 3betting AT-AK, KT-KQ, most pocket pairs, etc. among only his legitimate hands.

If you're folding here, I'm 3betting with anything from the SB preflop.

droolie

06-07-2005, 07:39 AM

Thanks for the input guys. Feel free to keep it coming.

FWIW MHING in every instance. Damnit I suck. I lost 75BB's in about 45 minutes. Hand 1 came at the very end. What a crusher.

I'll post my thoughts on each soon and will post 10 more hands too. The next ten will be a mixture of wins and losses I promise.

mmbt0ne

06-07-2005, 07:48 AM

Just wanted to add one thing to my statement here, even if SB is 3betting only HPFAP groups 1-3, you have ~14.8% equity on this flop, so you really need to peel one.

06-07-2005, 08:31 AM

Hand 1 - I would play it the same.
Hand 2 - same (depending on read, against a very passive I fold river)
Hand 3 - Raise the flop.
Hand 4 - Tough spot for me, I have no clue but your A-high might very well be good. I guess you split though.
Hand 5 - I fold this preflop. Seems to be WA/WB with only a king that could hurt you so your line is fine.
Hand 6 - I wouldnt bet the river against 2 opponents because I would hate getting raised.
Hand 7 - I would fold the turn or river depending on opponent against a usual passive player on party. Weak-tight?
Hand 8 - Depends completely on opponent imo.
Hand 9 - seems good.
Hand 10 - Fold to the turn-raise, pot is small.

I think you call down too much.

Nick C

06-07-2005, 08:32 AM

I'm respoding blind.

Hand 1: I wouldn't have called the flop. I think the rest is all right.

Hand 2: It looks good to me.

Hand 3: I'd consider raising the flop, but otherwise this seems all right to me, so long as SB was very aggressive preflop.

Hand 4: So long as Button is very aggressive, I think it's okay through the turn. I prefer check-calling the river, though, unless Button might either fold a better (or equal) hand or pay off with king-high.

Hand 5: I wouldn't really expect to win, but I wouldn't be surprised if I did. This seems all right to me.

Hand 6: I think maybe I'd just check the river and hope no one bet (but consider calling if they did).

Hand 7: Yeah, that's probably what I'd do, against an aggressive opponent.

Hand 8: I think I'd give up after getting called on the flop too.

Hand 9: This seems all right to me.

Hand 10: I might call down, but since UTG led the flop before checkraising the turn, I wouldn't expect to win. I suspect folding unimproved on the river (or maybe even just to the turn checkraise) might be best, but it sort of depends on your individual read, I think.

In any event, though, I'm something like -13.5 BB/100 over about the 700 hands or so I played at 1/2 6-max about a month ago, so what do I know?

Quercus

06-07-2005, 08:52 AM

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FWIW MHING in every instance. Damnit I suck. I lost 75BB's in about 45 minutes. Hand 1 came at the very end. What a crusher.

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6max is like that.

Looks like you had a run of marginal hands that went the other way. A quick look over the hands and my first thought was "I see an awful lot of calling here."

McGahee

06-07-2005, 09:24 AM

Just skimming thru, I like most of these hands.
Don't cap the river when you have the non-nut flush on a paired board; and don't try to steal from TAG's & LAG's with Q6o. And fold the turn in hand 10; he clearly has either a straight or an A dude.

DeathDonkey

06-07-2005, 10:13 AM

Hi Droolie,

You chase too much and pay off too much from these 10 hands. You also should be the one making the turn raises, not calling them and calling down when possible. I see a couple spots where I would raise the turn and you called down. Don't steal with the trash from the button like Q6o, even the J8s is marginal. Same goes for SB. Big cards get the money at this game. What's your VPIP / PFR?

-DeathDonkey

droolie

06-07-2005, 10:56 AM

My VP$IP is 23 my pfr is 13-14. Part of the reason for those steals is I was trying to capitalize on my tight table image...dumb I know but I can't seem to get my numbers up where they should be.

deception5

06-07-2005, 11:21 AM

Haven't read the other responses, here are my thoughts:

Hand 1 - Looks good to me, I would assume your j/8 outs here are usually good as he will often be betting an unimproved ace here.

Hand 2 - Looks good to me.

Hand 3 - I would fold the river here with just ace high.

Hand 4 - The way this went down I think I would fold the turn. But I think I'd rather raise the flop here as if you are behind you won't be drawing out very often and you'd like to showdown as cheaply as possible. I would fold to any aggression after that except a river bet.

Hand 5 - I would muck this preflop

Hand 6 - I would check the river and call one back, fold to 2. The 2 pair eliminates your kicker so at best you are splitting here.

Hand 7 - I think I would raise the flop here and try to showdown cheaply. If 3-bet I'd check/fold the turn against most opponents.

Hand 8 - Usually I'd just fold this preflop. Occasionally I'll play it this way as well.

Hand 9 - I like.

Hand 10 - I think folding to the check/raise would be ok here. Either he picked up a pair of aces or slowplayed a monster. He won't be bluffing here often enough to make calling down +ev.

By the way, I like this post - some great examples of difficult situations which I think should help everyone here!

DeathDonkey

06-07-2005, 11:30 AM

Hmm I would probably have to see you play or a bigger selection of your hands to judge better. I run at around 28/18 and thats at 5/10 6m. At 1/2 I find myself over 30/20 sometimes just because I want to play everything against those awful players.

Don't worry too much about the stealing that will come in time. Do worry that you go into immediate calldown mode whenever someone shows you some aggression. You need to find the spots to raise on the big streets as well as the spots to make laydowns.

-DeathDonkey

droolie

06-07-2005, 11:47 AM

I know I'm too passive but I can't seem to find spots to push where I don't get hammered for it. It seems that every time I raise to regain control or to try to push a marginal holdings I get three bet or called down by a better hand. I am very bad at hand reading right now becuase players are so loose and aggro that it's really tough to figure out what they are doing.

I have been told by a few guys that I play too tight. All of the steals in this group were after having folded many hands in a row and having only played premium hands.

Hand 1: This is a common situation that always gets me all messed up. I try to steal and face what looks like a resteal. I really hate these situations. Calling the flop seems stupid in retrospect. Villian showed QQ. How often are resteals really resteals? Should I start giving these guys more credit for real hands? Rarely do I do I win a hand when I'm reraised from the blinds because they almost always have a premium pocket pair.

Hand 2: When I'm raised on the turn I know I'm behind at least two pair. I need to learn to lay these down but right now I just pay 'em off. I'm friggin' unbluffable baby! Uggh. I spend 2BB to show this hand down and lose 90% of the time. -EV. Villian shows 44.

Hand 3: Another one of those f'ed up steal situations I suck at. SB raises pf and I reraise. Goot right? He donks me on the flop and I have a flush draw. Do I raise here? Look for a free turn card? Can I even take a free turn card? Calling the river was a metagaming thing. I knew I was dead but I had to see what he had. At the time I was certainly steaming and it was worth a buck to see. Villian shows TT.

Hand 4: Looks like a steal from button so I reraise. When he caps I start thinking this aint no steal but it's my first tango with this guy so I'm not sure. The flop looks benign and is unlikely to have helped villian. The problem is that it doesn't help me and villian isn't folding. I think I need to fold this flop but I get so locked into being stolen from I try to draw instead. I thought I might have backed into a chop on the river but alas villian shows TT. This one is embarrassing quite frankly. I should have folded this flop I guess.

Hand 5: Once again another resteal situation. Looks like WA/WB to me. I want to show this down but know no better hands are folding. I wish I had folded pf. Villian shows QQ /images/graemlins/blush.gif.

Hand 6: I don't know why I bet that river. I think I would check if given the chance to redo it. BB had AA. LOL. Oh well at least he didn't make me pay off a river check/ raise (I would've folded. I'm bad but not that bad.)

Hand 7: This is the toughest hand for me. I have middle pair and villian is equally likely to have an OESD or big made hand. Many of you recommend raising this flop. What's our plan after that? If we are 3-bet? If he just calls? (This is a good example of my passivity and I really need a better understanding of what my raise line entails.)

Hand 8: Terrible steal hand I know but I was playing too tight before this hand. I won't try this again. Lesson learned. I think it's a very interesting hand though after the flop. Giving up the ghost or betting the turn is a tough call for me. I was content to check fold there. Villian showed Qx and scoops the pot.

Hand 9: This is a good example of what always happens when I go all aggro with middle pair. The donk bet on the turn was very scary and had me clearly thinking Q all the way. Is there a 20% chance he's bluffing here? I don't know so I pay him off. This is a good example of me playing sherriff. Who's unbluffable? ME!! Meh. Villian shows Qx.

Hand 10: Pf is very tough. Raising 2 limpers with this crap seems stupid but playing this hand with position 5 way seems marginal too. Once again I get busted trying to loosen up my game a bit. I have to be able to fold this turn. I am probably behind an A or two pair or better and I know it. I hang around trying to hit my 5 outer (that was actually a 0 outer) Villian shows A7 and I was drawing dead.

My results have improved of late as I am folding more middle and bottom pairs UI on the turn than I was before. I make it to showdown a startling 41% of the time though and really need to find more folds. My W$aSD is 49%. I'll be playing later this afternoon as droolie. If any of you want to watch me play PM me and we'll set up an AIM chat.

SomethingClever

06-07-2005, 11:47 AM

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Hand 1 came at the very end. What a crusher.

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Definitely fold the flop in this hand. Preflop, turn and river are good.

McGahee

06-07-2005, 12:07 PM

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Hand 1: This is a common situation that always gets me all messed up. I try to steal and face what looks like a resteal. I really hate these situations. Calling the flop seems stupid in retrospect. Villian showed QQ. How often are resteals really resteals? Should I start giving these guys more credit for real hands? Rarely do I do I win a hand when I'm reraised from the blinds because they almost always have a premium pocket pair.

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I think this is an important point, and it's something I noticed while clearing this last bonus as well.
Unless you have a TAG read on villian, don't give your 1/2 oppononets credit for being good players but do give them credit for a hand.

MrWookie47

06-07-2005, 12:23 PM

I agree. At 1/2 6 max, I've found that 3betting out of the blinds as a resteal is the exception, not the rule. Most 3bets cary some significant weight, and those that don't, it's pretty easy to spot the most common type of player who'll 3bet lightly in these situations - the maniac. Once I stopped calling down with A high against "restealers" all the time, my win rate was helped dramatically.

gvibes

06-07-2005, 12:25 PM

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Hand 1 came at the very end. What a crusher.

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Definitely fold the flop in this hand. Preflop, turn and river are good.

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I'm gradually becoming sold on the flop call on hand 1. I think we have 4.5-7.5 outs a lot more often than we have 1.5 outs.

And I agree with DeathDonkey that he needs to throw some turn raises in there.

MrWookie47

06-07-2005, 12:39 PM

I'm not so sure. With 4.5 outs, we have odds to call, but this definitely looks like a reverse implied odds situation. We can't be all that excited catching a J or an 8. Do you guys think we'll be ahead often enough to raise the turn on a spiked J or 8? Or do we just call the turn and river, only to be shown an overpair? We'll pretty much have to fold to an A on the river even if we're paired up. I think there's too many things that have to fall just right to give us the necessary outs to peel on the flop. Calling the flop is a very, very slim EV at best.

SomethingClever

06-07-2005, 12:59 PM

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I'm not so sure. With 4.5 outs, we have odds to call, but this definitely looks like a reverse implied odds situation. We can't be all that excited catching a J or an 8. Do you guys think we'll be ahead often enough to raise the turn on a spiked J or 8? Or do we just call the turn and river, only to be shown an overpair? We'll pretty much have to fold to an A on the river even if we're paired up. I think there's too many things that have to fall just right to give us the necessary outs to peel on the flop. Calling the flop is a very, very slim EV at best.

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Bingo. You can probably "justify" a call, but why make poker harder than it is? You got caught... just fold this trash on the flop.

Note: I think the pf raise is good.

Nfinity

06-07-2005, 01:28 PM

Hand 1: I can't see any reason for you to be calling that flop.

Hand 2: That's a sneakily suspitious Turn CR by SB. I'm pretty sure he's been slowplaying this hand since pre-flop. If I have no reads on him, I'll take a showdown as long as my call closes the action, expecting to lose most of the time.

Hand 3: I don't think I 3-bet this pre-flop unless SB is proven to try and steal with anything, everytime. I foldz that river.

Hand 4: I think you might have been able to find a fold somewhere. I also don't like th River bet, You might convince someone to just call with 99-AA, but I don't put him on a weaker Ace that he might fold, and It's too likely he will come back with a Raise.

Hand 5: I fold this pre-flop. Prolly fold it on the flop as well if it makes it that far.

Hand 6: Meh, I hate these. You want to stop betting, but you just can't find the place. I think you could have Check-called that river, folding if it's bet and raised before it gets back to you. I don't think you have much to worry about with Button.

Hand 7: Fold or Raise that flop I think.

Hand 8: For a SB steal with 26s BB has to be a solid pushover, otherwise I let 'em have it.

Hand 9: I can't really find anything wrong with this hand. I really don' like the Stop'n'Go by Villian, but what can you do.

Hand 10: Your just getting the odds to draw to your 5 outter on the Turn, but you have to fold this river.

Isura

06-07-2005, 01:36 PM

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I agree. At 1/2 6 max, I've found that 3betting out of the blinds as a resteal is the exception, not the rule. Most 3bets cary some significant weight, and those that don't, it's pretty easy to spot the most common type of player who'll 3bet lightly in these situations - the maniac. Once I stopped calling down with A high against "restealers" all the time, my win rate was helped dramatically.

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sungod

06-07-2005, 02:43 PM

I'll take a shot at this.

Hand 1: I wouldn't raise this on the button against all opponents I think. I think the flop call is more then questionable as well.

Hand 2: Seems good to me. Although you probably had to see two pairs.

Hand 3: Fold the river.

Hand 4: Fold the turn.

Hand 5: I hate that preflop, I would also let it go on the turn.

Hand 6: I would probably check/call or check/fold this river. Depending on if I had to overcall.

Hand 7: Seems okay. Maybe raise the flop?

Hand 8: Fold preflop. If you want any hope of taking this one down you have to bluff the river at least.

Hand 9: Looks good to me.

Hand 10: I would fold this river.