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sammy_g

06-06-2005, 08:34 PM

I folded the nut flush on this hand. UTG was loose/passive preflop, but reasonably aggressive postflop. SB was all in on the turn.

Good fold?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (12 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13 BB

mungpo

06-06-2005, 08:42 PM

I think you can fold this.

billyjex

06-06-2005, 08:43 PM

i dunno.. i think it's pretty close. i have seen enough crazy [censored] before to call here in a big pot.

mungpo

06-06-2005, 08:55 PM

This is close. I don't think you would be wrong calling.

sethypooh21

06-06-2005, 09:07 PM

Heads-up I say call, the fact that you are hesds up for the 5 BB side pot probably turns this into a fold (I'd like to say, but damned if I ever find myself folding here). Either the SB or bettor not having at least an 8 would shock the hell out of me.

sammy_g

06-07-2005, 04:11 PM

Since there was an all-in player, I got to see both hands.

UTG had KK and SB had 99. Ouch.

wheelz

06-07-2005, 04:24 PM

Yes, UTG does seem a little bit passive preflop

adamstewart

06-07-2005, 05:05 PM

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This is close. I don't think you would be wrong calling.

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Yep. I think I'd call here.

All it takes is 1 time out of 14 for him not to have a Q or an 8 (only 4 cards), and you show a profit.

Adam

augie00

06-07-2005, 05:35 PM

Raise the flop.

donger

06-07-2005, 05:43 PM

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Since there was an all-in player, I got to see both hands.

UTG had KK and SB had 99. Ouch.

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I assume he had the K/images/graemlins/heart.gif? That was one hand I thought could be played this way.. ugh.

sethypooh21

06-07-2005, 06:17 PM

Perhaps I'm giving the all in guy way too much credit, but you need to be right about the better a lot more often then that since the side pot is not big.

sammy_g

06-07-2005, 09:38 PM

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Raise the flop.

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SB only had 2 small bets left after his flop bet. I thought he would put the rest in on the flop and UTG might cap.

sammy_g

06-07-2005, 09:42 PM

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Perhaps I'm giving the all in guy way too much credit, but you need to be right about the better a lot more often then that since the side pot is not big.

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Yeah, the side pot is only about 4 big bets here.

sammy_g

06-07-2005, 09:47 PM

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I assume he had the K/images/graemlins/heart.gif? That was one hand I thought could be played this way.. ugh.

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Yes. I didn't put him on an overpair since he limped, then just called preflop. I didn't put him on a semibluff since I had the A /images/graemlins/heart.gif. I couldn't put him on a hand I beat. Maybe some kind of middle pair is possible here.

Ugh.

sammy_g

06-07-2005, 09:56 PM

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All it takes is 1 time out of 14 for him not to have a Q or an 8 (only 4 cards), and you show a profit.

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Did you notice SB is all in? When I folded, I didn't think I would beat both players one time in 14.

You are probably right, though. SB could have a lot of hands. I had trouble putting UTG on a hand I beat, but I guess he might have something like A /images/graemlins/club.gif K /images/graemlins/heart.gif or 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif here.

Trying too hard to play good.