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1C5
06-06-2005, 06:18 PM
SB was playing lots of hands.

Probably a stupid play by me. What do you call or reraise with?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t2535)
Hero (t840)
UTG (t390)
MP1 (t735)
MP2 (t1060)
CO (t1730)
Button (t710)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t840 (All-In)</font>, SB calls t640.

Flop: (t1680) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t1680) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t1680) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1680

RobGW
06-06-2005, 06:31 PM
Don't push into the big stack. He is not going to fold to your measly reraise. I'd want a PP or a couple of broadways to play this. i.e. something that could win in a showdown unimproved. You have the A but the 2 is useless. Your pushing with half a hand.

Nick M
06-06-2005, 06:42 PM
huh you would take KQ over A2??? A2 is the better hand. I wouldn't push KQ and not A2 that's insane.

And I like folding here because you have a lot of play left. Lots of free hands. Even though you most likely have the best hand.

KingDan
06-06-2005, 06:49 PM
A2 is more likely to be dominated.

RobGW
06-06-2005, 06:56 PM
I was thinking that villian would raise with an A making it likely hero was dominated. At least with KQ hero has 2 cards to catch. I could be wrong on this though. I have been accused of being a little crazy but insane is a little harsh.

JDalla
06-06-2005, 07:03 PM
KQ would be way better in this spot. Simply because A2 is slightly ahead vs. KQ doesn't make it a better hand to push in that spot.
KQ is only dominated by AA, KK, QQ, AK, and AQ. (5 hands)
A2 is dominated by AA-22, and A6-AK (21 hands) (didn't include A3-A5 because they are very often split pots).

Furthermore, KQ would be in a dominating position vs. KJ-K2, and QJ-Q2 (20 hands), wheras A2 is only in a dominated position against 23-2K (which are all extremly unlikely you will be up against).

Cry Me A River
06-06-2005, 07:08 PM
I'd rather have 89s than A2 in this spot. At least you're likely to have 2 live cards...

That being said, I fold here unless I'm in danger of becoming short stacked (ie: not now). Never, ever push back at a big stack like that unless you want to get called.

If he's a loose big stack, then he's calling with anything he'd raise with and at best you're going to be a slight favorite (ie: 60/40 vs K3) with a very good chance of being a big dog.

If he's a tight big stack, then he's holding a helluva lot better than A2.

If he wants to steal, let him... He's either going to start knocking the other stacks out for you when they call with A2, or, your patience will be rewarded with a hand you can smack him with. A2 is not that hand.

treeofwisdom7
06-06-2005, 07:11 PM
i would say fold it..

are you playing the 10+1. if so maybe we were in teh same game together. i wasnt sb tho

Mr_J
06-06-2005, 07:19 PM
"SB was playing lots of hands."

1040 in the pot and 640 to call for a loose bigstack. You don't have the folding equity and you have too many chips to gamble this early on.

1C5
06-06-2005, 07:20 PM
No, 22.

But should be 11 after this move. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

treeofwisdom7
06-06-2005, 07:22 PM
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No, 22.

But should be 11 after this move. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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i cant move down from the 11s but i think you should follow your own advice till you cap some holes

$hit i know i got plenty of them myself.

msg me if you wanna trade HH or something

1C5
06-06-2005, 07:33 PM
Ok sounds good.

Actually this was more a tilt play, not something I do (or have ever done before).

I have other holes I am sure though.

suited_ace
06-06-2005, 07:50 PM
I might call with AA to trap an aggressive opponent, and QQ to push if a safe flop comes, but that's about it. I only push with AA, KK, AK. The blinds aren't high enough for you to widen your range so much.

lastchance
06-06-2005, 08:40 PM
I'm pretty sure not pushing AJ+, 77+ is a major leak here, and that range is probably too weak.

applejuicekid
06-06-2005, 09:11 PM
I really like your play here, and wouldn't consider it stupid at all. I think you have more FE here than most people think. I would reraise with any pair, any ace, any king, and any decent queen.

I would call with complete garbage, and this is probably incorrect. In fact my calling range is almost any two.

I'm sorry I just don't respect min raises especially from the SB. This is probably a leak, but I doubt it's a big one.

Newt_Buggs
06-06-2005, 10:47 PM
I would push 22 here but not A2 for the above reasons that A2 is a very bad hand for a showdown here. Maybe pushing 22 is a leak in my game though since I just can't stand people miniraising my blind