Good Push?

[MentalCombat]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t350)
MP2 (t505)
CO (t855)
Button (t1970)
SB (t1840)
Hero (t560)
UTG (t1815)
UTG+1 (t2105)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t50, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#666666">Hero Goes All In</font>

[schilling38]

What is the buyin? Lately I think the push is bad because I've been seeing UTG call with AQ or something similar too often.

[MentalCombat]

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What is the buyin? Lately I think the push is bad because I've been seeing UTG call with AQ or something similar too often.

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55's

[octaveshift]

Looks like desperation, given your stack. I would be amazed if you tell me nobody called.

[schilling38]

Well I *think* the players are meant to be smarter/tighter at those limits but I could be wrong.

I would really want a read on the two UTG players. Have they defended their limps to raises in the past?

[MentalCombat]

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Looks like desperation, given your stack. I would be amazed if you tell me nobody called.

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MP2 called with J10h. I lose. What % would people guess that this move works? I saw it as a chance to get a low risk major padding to my stack. My image was strong, I had played tight the entire tourney to that point and lost all my chips on one bad beat where I went all in with QQ and someone called with AJ *tear*.

[MentalCombat]

Tilt factor was probably out the window too, because the QQ all in was at least 10 hands prior

[NYCNative]

I need an official ruling: Is this an PVS?

[MikeyEdge]

There is no chance that all four players are going to fold here.

[hummusx]

My experience at the 55s is that people are stupid-willing to look you up with just about anything they'd limp with. With this many limpers, I would feel almost certain to be called by at least one of them and therefore would not pull this move in these circumstances.

I used to like this with a couple limpers, but people have been so willing to call me lately that I'm changing my play a little bit. Seriously - last night in the same game I got called down like 3 times with almost complete garbage, showing down a monster every single time. I kept waiting for people to STOP CALLING but they just didn't. Which was fine, because my cards were running hot.

[microbet]

Well, PVS seems to be around so he could make it official, but I think it is.

[MentalCombat]

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Well, PVS seems to be around so he could make it official, but I think it is.

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So if it's PVS' signature move, I guess my next question is, what level does PVS play, and what is his ROI /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Vetstadium]

I can't push there people call with all sorts of stuff you know the guy first to act who limps with a4 off then thinks it is worth 2/3 rds his stack preflop all in.

[microbet]

I'm not sure PVS wants it to be named after him. He certainly doesn't do it every time it is available.

He's PhilVanSexton. Seems to play the $55s and $109s. I don't know what his ROI is, but would be shocked if it wasn't fairly good.

[MentalCombat]

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He's PhilVanSexton.

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It's all coming together now. I always wondered who the mystery PVS was, lol.

[smcannon]

That was a horrible push with that many callers and your stack being what it is.

[MentalCombat]

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That was a horrible push with that many callers and your stack being what it is.

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That seems to be the consensus. My thoughts were that nobody raised, so thier hands can't be that strong, and that I had a tight image. Everyone folded but some donk with J10 putting his entire stack on the line, but whatcha gonna do.

How would you suggest re-building your stack if it gets damaged like it did early. I wont have much FE stealing 100 blinds with 500 chips. Just keep playing tight and hope to double/triple on a monster?

[RobGW]

This is not good. You have to make 4 opponents fold and 3 of them have you covered by a large amount. This does look obvious what you are doing here so its no surprise someone would look you up. If you need to make a move like this it is better with only 1 limper and the blinds and limper should have to make a difficult decision. i.e. for all or most of their chips. Doing this against a big stack, or several players is tourney suicide. Unless you happen to suck out on them.

[Bigwig]

You're going to be called far too often to make this move. You're not dead yet. You've got 10BB. Wait.

[tigerite]

I wouldn't push this. This isn't really a PVS, more like a botched badly one, for many reasons, including lack of reads, stack size, and sheer number of limpers, as others have pointed out.

[MentalCombat]

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I wouldn't push this. This isn't really a PVS, more like a botched badly one, for many reasons, including lack of reads, stack size, and sheer number of limpers, as others have pointed out.

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Noted... ROI +.1

[Moonsugar]

LMAO

[Moonsugar]

One more thing:

Don't make a post berating someone for still playing $11s when you make plays this bad. Join them instead.

[MentalCombat]

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One more thing:

Don't make a post berating someone for still playing $11s when you make plays this bad. Join them instead.

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That post probably came off wrong, I thought it was funny that they didn't feel they paid thier dues yet and it had already been a year, I'll go back and delete that post if it is still editable. This move may have been bad, but dont judge my game based on one aspect. I obviously need to focus on my "small stack" game.

[curtains]

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t350)
MP2 (t505)
CO (t855)
Button (t1970)
SB (t1840)
Hero (t560)
UTG (t1815)
UTG+1 (t2105)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t50, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#666666">Hero Goes All In</font>

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I almost always fold here. I would raise with a halfway decent hand though because then at least when called you will be ahead a certain % of the time.

[zambonidrivr]

yes 59o is a prem hand and can be pushed from any spot. wtf kind of question is this? you have a nice stack and blinds are still relatively low.

[Moonsugar]

You took my harsh criticism very well. That is a really good sign /images/graemlins/smile.gif