PokerTracker vs PokerOffice

[CaptSensible]

For me PokerOffice is a HUGE favorite over PokerTracker. I'd love to get opinions from those who have used both and why they prefer one over the other.
Here are some reasons why I like PokerOffice better:

1. real time importing of hand histories and games. (I don't have to manually import hand histories anymore)

2. imho PokerOffice has a better user interface

3. realtime info on player styles

4. realtime pot odds

5. realtime real outs.

I look forward to hearing what you guys think.

[Lost Wages]

1. real time importing of hand histories and games. (I don't have to manually import hand histories anymore)

Umm...PokerTracker automatically imports hand histories.

3. realtime info on player styles

Umm...so does PV/GT

4. realtime pot odds

If you need software to figure out your pot odds then you are not a good enough player to be able to put it to use.

5. realtime real outs.

You mean like if you have A /images/graemlins/spade.gifK /images/graemlins/spade.gif against 7 opponents and the board is T /images/graemlins/heart.gif9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif then you have 6 outs?

Lost Wages

[CaptSensible]

First off, there's a distinct condescending tone in your post. I don't really know why since all I did was post that I have a preference for pokeroffice and the reasons why. I also asked that I was looking forward to hearing why people that pokertracker was better. Your post gave no such information. In fact you blostered my opinion when you stated that you have to buy a seperate program from PokerTracker to gain real time info on players at the table.

1. real time importing of hand histories and games. (I don't have to manually import hand histories anymore)

Umm...PokerTracker automatically imports hand histories.

Pokeroffice, in realtime, while taking in hand histories gives back stats on all the players at the table ie; flop percentages, flop to turn, turn to river. It also catagorizes their style of play and does so for pre flop and post flop

3. realtime info on player styles

Umm...so does PV/GT

Umm...Those are DIFFERENT programs. In this post I'm specifically talking about the difference between PokerTracker and PokerOffice. With PokerOffice you don't need to get another program to give you real time player stats.

4. realtime pot odds

If you need software to figure out your pot odds then you are not a good enough player to be able to put it to use.

I'm a novice player and have trouble with math. This program helped me check my own calculations against the "right answer"

5. realtime real outs.

You mean like if you have A /images/graemlins/spade.gifK /images/graemlins/spade.gif against 7 opponents and the board is T /images/graemlins/heart.gif9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif then you have 6 outs?

Well, Yes, but also hands where you might have 23 outs or 16 outs. Again, this was a big help to me when I was starting out. I now can calculate on my own that flopping a flush draw, a straight draw with an overcard is 20 outs but it helped me out a lot when i was starting out.

And another thing: there are many more features and details about poker office. I'm just listing some of the highlights.

[bubbahotep]

I really dont want to choose because I use them both.

PT supports more sites and I use it mainly for hand histories and tracking statistics my play. I think its layout is better and gives more useful info. It is the standard which most people use, so its easier to relate my play in its terms.

I use PO almost solely for its overlay. I think the overlay is better than GT+, so thats why I use it.

No reason to use only one. If its +EV why not use it?

[Matt Jenko]

Capt, the add-ons mentioned for PT are free. They really are no problem to run as well, although I see the benifit of not having all the extra add-ons.

My personal preference is PT as PT supports more sites which suits my current bonus whoring lifestyle. (I also run my own queries off the PT database and have had good experience with the PT support guys so it is my choice at the moment.)

[Lost Wages]

First off, there's a distinct condescending tone in your post.

You're right, your endorsements (there have been several) have been suspiciously glowing. I'm always wary of someone with a small number of posts that endorses a product. In fact, you made almost this same post a week ago (Link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=software&Number=251924 9&Forum=,,,,All_Forums,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=1&Lim it=25&Main=2519249&Search=true&where=&Name=36364&d aterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype =&bodyprev=#Post2519249)). Add to that the fact that PO has been known to use shills on these forums.

And another thing: there are many more features and details about poker office. I'm just listing some of the highlights.

This is exactly what I am talking about. No one except a promoter would use language like that.

PT vs PO has been discussed ad nauseam. I do not know of a single experienced poster that is using PO.

I now can calculate on my own that flopping a flush draw, a straight draw with an overcard is 20 outs

A flush draw + straight draw + overcard is 18 outs.

Lost Wages

[Guthrie]

There's condescending on 2+2? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

[boondoggle]

Ok..I am no shill for PO but I will give my .2. I like PO for multiple reasons.

1. much faster than GM/PV with Pokertracker. Pokertracker with 50k hands and 4+tabling on my Athlon64 system crawls especially if i'm playing at pokerroom.

2. PO has much nicer overlay and more stats readily available like flop stats, position stats that show what a player did during that session. PT doesnt do that.

3. the live tracker is so much nicer way to achieve hand history and mucked cards. The auto import feature of poker tracker is old. Learn to program and capture the cards live.

4. PO supports Party, prima, and pokerstars with more coming on with each update. It will not be long until PT is a thing of the past. Mark my words.

5. you can run your own queries against the mysql db very easily. Along with some more really cool stuff involving java.

6. once PO gets a replayer (one is planned soon) and some more stats then PT will be hurting. Capitalism at its best.

7. Did I mention that PT is SLOOOOWWWW. PO on the Mysql db is fast!

cheers
Boon

[CaptSensible]

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A flush draw + straight draw + overcard is 18 outs.


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9 for the flush, 8 for the straight, 3 for the overcard. Am I wrong here? See, I need all the help I can get! lol
Also, No, I am not a shill for PO though i can't blame you for thinking I am. I just really like the software and it seems very few others know about it. I personally wish that I had known about it before I bought poker tracker so I'm just trying to be of service /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[2easy]

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A flush draw + straight draw + overcard is 18 outs.


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9 for the flush, 8 for the straight, 3 for the overcard. Am I wrong here? See, I need all the help I can get!

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ok, guess i'll be the host for the gameshow, "deducing the obvious."

first though, i assume that you're being facetous. (at least i hope so!)
if not, you really DO need something to help figure outs for you.


and finally, for the win and the grand prize-a bus trip for two to schenectady:

9 outs for the flush, 6 for the straight, and 3 for the overcard =_______.

(left blank for your shot at glory.)



p.s. no fair referring back to lost wages response. you gotta crack this one on your own.

[snibbler14]

I agree, PO is way superior during play, but I still like some of the analysis aspects of PT. I use them both and are happy with that.

[CaptSensible]

9 outs for the flush, 6 for the straight, and 3 for the overcard =__18_____.

I WIN! I WIN!

My question is this: On an open ended straight draw why are there only 6 outs? lets say:
I have J Q
flop is 9 T 3.
there are four K's and four 8's.
In my poorly math oriented mind that ='s 8.

I do trust that i'm making a mistake somewhere but I just don't know where it is.

[2easy]

well, since it seems that you really ARE serious, and not being facetous, try this:

in reference to your original problem:

"I now can calculate on my own that flopping a flush draw, a straight draw with an overcard is 20 outs but it helped me out a lot when i was starting out."


2 of your oe straight cards were already counted in your flush cards.


so, sorry, no bus trip for two to schenectady.

[CaptSensible]

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2 of your oe straight cards were already counted in your flush cards.

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AHHHHHH!. Ok, I see! Even more reason why I need help from a program like PokerOffice /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[waza]

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If you need software to figure out your pot odds then you are not a good enough player to be able to put it to use.

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I have no problem at all figuring out pot odds, but it is really convenient to have it printed on the table when you 8-table.

[Lost Wages]

OMG, this is ridiculous. This guy has 24 posts, here are some of them:

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Ok, so I downloaded PO 1.80 to see what all the fuss was about. Holy Smoke! This takes GT+ to a whole new level. I love how the updates of the statistics is "action sensitive" so that when a player leaves the table the stats automatically dissapears (very annoying when stats "stays" on leaving players in GT+) and I am already addicted to the betting actions on the table. Grrrr... now I must purchase PO as well and convert to using PO during play and PT for analysis.


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PokerOffice 1.80 does what you are asking for.

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I switched to pokeroffice during play, the new release with betting actions, stats and pot odds on the table in a GT+ like manner is amazing. However, PT is till great for analysis. I am happy using both.


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I just tried this, it works perfectly for me. I now have PT/GT+ displaying the stats from my PT database and pokeroffice/overlay showing the betting actions and pot odds. I had to configure GT+ to display the stats above the name box and then PO displays the betting actions under the name box and the pot odds in the middle of the table. This is very neat. But I must say that I prefer the PO statistics over the PT statistics (bigger selection in overlay compared to GT+) so I probably will use PO for stats as well. But this is certainly feasible.


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Yes, you can import PT database into pokeroffice. The HUD feature in pokeroffice works the same way as PV/GT+ , except that is has betting actions and pot odds as well.


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I have been toying around with PT/GT+ and pokeroffice/overlay. If you run both at the same time and turn off the statistics in pokeroffice you can get GT+ with live pot odds and betting actions. Below is a screenshot, the line under each namebox is the betting actions for the ongoing hand (X=check, C=call, R=raise, etc)

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In fact, every single one of his posts refers to PokerOffice.

Lost Wages

[snibbler14]

Man, I have no shill with either PO or PT. I like the softwares so this is where I have made most my posts, shill please.

[Gamer]

I have been following the poker software discussions on this forum for quite some time and I have two things to say:

I find it very amusing that when someone says something good about Pokeroffice he's called a shill, but never when it is the other way around, a good word for PT.

I also wonder who the real shills are; the ones who might say something positive about some software. Or the ones posing as "the Police" and try to keep people from speaking their mind?

[pergesu]

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2 of your oe straight cards were already counted in your flush cards.

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AHHHHHH!. Ok, I see! Even more reason why I need help from a program like PokerOffice /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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No, you need to read SSH and learn to count outs.

[CaptSensible]

What is SSH?

[rmarotti]

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What is SSH?

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POTY

[Crispy86]

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I have been following the poker software discussions on this forum for quite some time and I have two things to say:

I find it very amusing that when someone says something good about Pokeroffice he's called a shill, but never when it is the other way around, a good word for PT.

I also wonder who the real shills are; the ones who might say something positive about some software. Or the ones posing as "the Police" and try to keep people from speaking their mind?

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I had heard of PokerOffice but not the table overlay functions, akin to PV or GT+. After checking the site, it seems this is a new feature. The screenshots look quite nice, so I'll check it out.

[pergesu]

http://www.twoplustwo.com/books.html#Small%20Stakes%20Hold'em

[mbk808]

I thought PO looked pretty cool and since I play at stars alot, I downloaded the demo. I screwed up the install and when I tried to re-install w/o removing my 1st attempt, it locked up and forced me to abort. Hey, I'm a poker player not a computer geek. Anyways after getting the darn thing installed, it said I exceeded my demo limit and had to buy it. I don't buy nuthin w/o 1st checkin it out and since I'm too dumb to get the demo workin, I figure I wouldn't get much use out of the full version. I'm stckin with PokerTracker