Tough call?

[Scuba Chuck]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t1530)
MP2 (t1100)
CO (t835)
Button (t1525)
SB (t1595)
Hero (t775)
UTG (t640)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t135) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t135) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t50</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls t50.

River: (t235) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red"> Hero bets 100, villain thinks for a couple of moments, and pushes. Call? </font>

Final Pot: t235

[Phill S]

Why not raise the turn?

What buy in?

If memory serves your a 22 player, so i call this twice a day and 3 times on sunday.

Phill

[Scuba Chuck]

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Why not raise the turn?

What buy in?

If memory serves your a 22 player, so i call this twice a day and 3 times on sunday.

Phill

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I do not play $22s, unless I'm trying to learn something. I play a ton of $33s right now as I learn to 6 &amp; 8 table. I will try and remember to do a better job with buyins.

I didn't raise the turn because I had thought this donk was on a flush draw, and I'm confident that they will chase any bet I make. That being said, I can see how raising would have let me know if this donk had something else. My instincts tell me this is a busted flush draw, but I don't know.

[wuwei]

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I didn't raise the turn because I had thought this donk was on a flush draw, and I'm confident that they will chase any bet I make.

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This is exactly why I *would* raise the turn.

and yah, I call the river.

[Phill S]

Trust in the force and go with your instincts.

And no offense meant regarding buy ins.

You still havent stated the buy in /images/graemlins/grin.gif but im assuming its a 30. In which case i insta-call.

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I didn't raise the turn because I had thought this donk was on a flush draw, and I'm confident that they will chase any bet I make. That being said, I can see how raising would have let me know if this donk had something else. My instincts tell me this is a busted flush draw, but I don't know.

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You basicly answered yourself here.

Phill

[curtains]

I would definitely call the river.

[curtains]

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Why not raise the turn?

What buy in?

If memory serves your a 22 player, so i call this twice a day and 3 times on sunday.

Phill

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I do not play $22s, unless I'm trying to learn something. I play a ton of $33s right now as I learn to 6 &amp; 8 table. I will try and remember to do a better job with buyins.

I didn't raise the turn because I had thought this donk was on a flush draw, and I'm confident that they will chase any bet I make. That being said, I can see how raising would have let me know if this donk had something else. My instincts tell me this is a busted flush draw, but I don't know.

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Why on earth would you not want to charge your opponent when they are drawing? That goes against every poker concept in the book! You want to wait until he no longer has anything to bet into him?? Also if hes such a donk, make an extraordinarily large turn bet/raise to make it even more +EV.

[nomadtla]

Charge him for his draw. It gives info and helps avoid this river decision. If he's a donk and calls big on turn and hits it there's nothing you can do you played it right. But don't give him the freebee on his draw that's just crazy.

[Scuba Chuck]

Curtains, during my current streak, I've been thinking about something.

I need to learn to "play the people." So I'm doing more than just playing my cards. Any thoughts? Donk calls most any bet here, including allin, IMO.

[pergesu]

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I need to learn to "play the people." So I'm doing more than just playing my cards. Any thoughts? Donk calls most any bet here, including allin, IMO.

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That's a good thing...

[Scuba Chuck]

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I need to learn to "play the people." So I'm doing more than just playing my cards. Any thoughts? Donk calls most any bet here, including allin, IMO.

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That's a good thing...

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But I got him allin anyway...

[chisness]

This is very tough. It's hard to put him on a hand here. I'm thinking KK or A2s are possibilities that he'd play like he did. 77 doesn't seem right since that turn bet would be so so bad. I really don't think you're usually winning here and would fold. I also would've bet a decent amount on the turn.

[pergesu]

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I need to learn to "play the people." So I'm doing more than just playing my cards. Any thoughts? Donk calls most any bet here, including allin, IMO.

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That's a good thing...

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But I got him allin anyway...

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Well if you think he's gonna push every time he misses his flush draw, great. Check behind, give him the free chance to draw out, and rake up when he misses.

Since you can't know that enough for it to be profitable, in my opinion, it makes a lot more sense to get him in when he's a dog. Most opponents will call with a flush draw, and then check-fold when they miss. But if you've got a read that says otherwise, by all means, play by it.

[lastchance]

Raise the goddamn turn. With your read, for crying out loud, raise the damn turn.

Makes playing this hand a lot easier.