Folding a set of 2s

[fluorescenthippo]

This is a 20+2. I called this because ive never folded a set on such a clean flop, so folding didnt even occur to me as an option. Looking back i probably should have folded with this action. agree? what if i had 66?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t1625)
UTG+1 (t730)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t1260)
CO (t755)
Button (t745)
SB (t755)
BB (t1280)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t15, Hero calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t30</font>, Button calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t15, MP1 folds, Hero calls t15.

Flop: (t145) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t725 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t715 (All-In), <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t1250 (All-In)</font>, Hero ....

[xLukex]

I would only fold this if it was bubble play...

[1C5]

Meh, I call also.

[Karak567]

Probably against A7, K7, 67, or overpairs.

Hero insta-calls.

[AlcateL]

I'd call it, yes you could be behind to 6's or 7's but I think over half the time you'll see two over pairs ie TT then called by AA or KK then called by QQ or something similar. Equally you're likely to run into A-7 sometimes and maybe even 8's or 9's. Your set of two's are up enough In the 20+2's and the 10+1's to make this a call in my opinion.

Obviously these are in the low limit tournaments theres a lot more to think about if you're in higher tournaments or perhaps you have a read on your opponents.

ps You could even be in with AK vs a pair or worse, I raised from the BB with AQs in a 4 people limped in pot today, saw one reraise and an all in (obviously folded) and turns out AQs was the best hand. (20+2)

[AlcateL]

Although, this is the one time maybe its okay for the guy to push the pot with the 7's or 6's and not play them slow at all, 8 9 T 3 4 5 Could give someone a straight, so you can't disregard the sets because of the push though.

[valenzuela]

hahahahahahahahahahhahaha, sry for the useless post but I cant help it

[fluorescenthippo]

wow, im very surprised by responses so far. no one thinks someone has 66 or 77 here??

maybe i just think that because someone did /images/graemlins/frown.gif
Co had QQ, button 77, BB 76 by the way

[valenzuela]

thats just bad luck, somebody going all-in on partypoker doesnt mean a set.

[LeVoodoo]

Three people going all-in before you makes this a very difficult call, even with a set. I give zero credit to the players at this level, but it's not that farfetched that one of the three has an overset. Calling is fine, folding is also fine if you're feeling risk averse. Folding puts you in a fine position with 5 left.

[valenzuela]

ure the biggest idiot ever if u fold. Anyway read the hand history again, ull see theres one player all-in before u.( i still go all-in if I have 3 players going all-in b4 me)

[fluorescenthippo]

there are 3 players all in before me

[LeVoodoo]

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ure the biggest idiot ever if u fold.

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Says the guy who puts fake information into neteller and gets his money locked.
No, I think the award for biggest idiot was already handed out.

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Anyway read the hand history again, ull see theres one player all-in before u.

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No.

[adanthar]

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ure the biggest idiot ever if u fold.

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Nah, he's not. I am, though, because I fold there and give him advice to fold, too.

Why don't you start by putting all three of them on a hand? I'll give you a hint: CO has [AA-TT], button has [98, 76, 77-66, AA-TT], BB has...

Occasionally, you'll get 3 overpairs, but usually there will be more than a single minraise when that happens.

[durron597]

Maybe you can fold this in a 200+15. But in a 20+2, call.

[adanthar]

Is $20 any good? Are they closer to the 10's or the 30's?

I dunno, I probably still fold. There just aren't enough draws (I'd call with a 2 flush showing.)

[valenzuela]

Lets start with the fact that winning 30% of the time is profitable.
CO/button/BB could perfectly have a straight draw. Sry but I dont think Im losing here 70% of the time.

[microbet]

2 allins (essentially) and I think it is an easy call. 3 is tough.

Tables vary widely.

Sometimes the table spooks and everyone just wants to go allin.

I think it is close and it would take more data than anyone has to really decide.

If anyone can really answer this it would have to be someone who has done a lot of datamining in the $22s or has played a million of em.

[microbet]

About different buyins..

At the $11s people are often chatting "It's only $11"
At the $22s peopls sometimes chat "It's only $22"
I think I saw "It's only $33" once.
I haven't seen "It's only $55" yet.

[Karak567]

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About different buyins..

At the $11s people are often chatting "It's only $11"
At the $22s peopls sometimes chat "It's only $22"
I think I saw "It's only $33" once.
I haven't seen "It's only $55" yet.

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It's only $55.

I have ruined your post.

Sorry.

just kidding :-P

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
About different buyins..

At the $11s people are often chatting "It's only $11"
At the $22s peopls sometimes chat "It's only $22"
I think I saw "It's only $33" once.
I haven't seen "It's only $55" yet.

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That's about right.

[Big Limpin']

I call. I like quadrupling up. If i lose, i type "gg".
No shame in losing set v. set.

[CaptSensible]

Personally, I could not have folded this hand. Even if I thought someone might have an over set most of the time I'll win this hand. If I had flopped top set I definitely would slow play this. So I think the guy with trip 7s played the hand poorly if he was first to bet. Another poster said he would have folded if he were on the bubble. I agree with that play. There is one caveat though, and I feel this is important, if your gut instinct is strongly telling you to fold then fold. I personally believe that gut instincts later in the tourney are based on a couple of things: 1. your own intuitive powers. 2. all the information you've gathered in the game thus far whether it's concious or not. 3. all the information you've gathered from every game of poker you've played whether it's concious or not. If you fold the hand because your gut is strongly telling you to do so then fold. If you have no particular intuitive sense about the hand then play it.

[Newt_Buggs]

I find it much more likely that my opponents are morons than that someone is holding a higher set.