Does this work?

[LImitPlayer]

To lazy to do the math, I'll never do it as I make a lot more per hour playing my normal games.

Thought it was intersting, saw it on another forum

Feel free to add this to the website! Enjoy.

Heres what you need.

1) At last a 7000.00 bankroll
2) A full 24 hour block of time from midnight to midnight.
3) already be entered with a rake back

Thats it! Last night I was "pokering" like a 9 to 5 smuck. Came across the site, and started to read the forum. The I became inspired by what I read. Ya, you do have to point and click the mouse which sucks, but it's worth it because it's free money, right?

Anyway, I wasn't satisfied to just follow the path of whores before me. Not me, no Sir, I want to contribute! Give something back to the whoring community if you will. So I started thinking, "I know Empire has a VIP program, the nerve, bet I can find a way to make them pay!"

So here's the scam! Exactly at midnight, start joining every 10.00 multi-table tournament. Sit & Go multi's should be starting all the time, but don't neglect the special and regular multi's too. Now, start going all in every hand until you win or lose the tournament. This is neccessary because you need to enter about 25 multi's an hour. You need to avoid limit tournies as they take a while to lose.

Here's the math to show how this works out.

25 tournies/ hr = 625 tournies a day.
625 x 11.00 = 6875.00 in total entry fees(including fees)
Every 10,000 EP Points = $100.00 (trade them in for 100.00 coupons)
625 (total entry fees) x .25 (percent rake back) = 156.25

Ok, you get 1 EP point for every 1 dollar in fees, plus the number of multi's per day squared times 2.

EP points= 625 x 625 = 390,625 x 2 = 781,250 + 625 = 781,875.00

Trade these EP points in for cash.

781,875.00 / 10,000 = 78.1875 x 100 = $7.818.75

So,

7,818.75 + 156.25 - 6875.00 = $1,100.00 Riskless Investment!!! Obviously, if you can do slightly more torunies an hour you will make even more

[xLukex]

[ QUOTE ]
To lazy to do the math, I'll never do it as I make a lot more per hour playing my normal games.

Thought it was intersting, saw it on another forum

Feel free to add this to the website! Enjoy.

Heres what you need.

1) At last a 7000.00 bankroll
2) A full 24 hour block of time from midnight to midnight.
3) already be entered with a rake back

Thats it! Last night I was "pokering" like a 9 to 5 smuck. Came across the site, and started to read the forum. The I became inspired by what I read. Ya, you do have to point and click the mouse which sucks, but it's worth it because it's free money, right?

Anyway, I wasn't satisfied to just follow the path of whores before me. Not me, no Sir, I want to contribute! Give something back to the whoring community if you will. So I started thinking, "I know Empire has a VIP program, the nerve, bet I can find a way to make them pay!"

So here's the scam! Exactly at midnight, start joining every 10.00 multi-table tournament. Sit & Go multi's should be starting all the time, but don't neglect the special and regular multi's too. Now, start going all in every hand until you win or lose the tournament. This is neccessary because you need to enter about 25 multi's an hour. You need to avoid limit tournies as they take a while to lose.

Here's the math to show how this works out.

25 tournies/ hr = 625 tournies a day.
625 x 11.00 = 6875.00 in total entry fees(including fees)
Every 10,000 EP Points = $100.00 (trade them in for 100.00 coupons)
625 (total entry fees) x .25 (percent rake back) = 156.25

Ok, you get 1 EP point for every 1 dollar in fees, plus the number of multi's per day squared times 2.

EP points= 625 x 625 = 390,625 x 2 = 781,250 + 625 = 781,875.00

Trade these EP points in for cash.

781,875.00 / 10,000 = 78.1875 x 100 = $7.818.75

So,

7,818.75 + 156.25 - 6875.00 = $1,100.00 Riskless Investment!!! Obviously, if you can do slightly more torunies an hour you will make even more

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I *think* Empire only counts tournament fees (IE the $2 in a 20+2) as fees paid.

[sumdumguy]

Doh!

[TemetNosce]

The real question is would you want to try it? Given Empire's recent actions in banning players, would you want to try something that was posted in a public forum (here and BonusWhores)?

[ecm1185]

Your make more than $1,000 per day playing your normal games....Damn!! /images/graemlins/smirk.gif Anyway, worst idea ever.

[TStoneMBD]

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So here's the scam! Exactly at midnight, start joining every 10.00 multi-table tournament. Sit & Go multi's should be starting all the time, but don't neglect the special and regular multi's too. Now, start going all in every hand until you win or lose the tournament. This is neccessary because you need to enter about 25 multi's an hour. You need to avoid limit tournies as they take a while to lose.


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This is not the way of the samurai.


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[TStoneMBD]

yes, $1100 for 24 hours of play. thats like $45/h.

[OldYoda]

Yeah. Give that a run and let us know how it works out for you. Before ya do, though, ya might to reread the FAQ on how points are awarded for tournaments.

[LImitPlayer]

Im not trying it and I never will, as I stated earlier I make more per hour playing poker so there is no point in doing this for me anyways.

I just thought it was intersting and wondered if the math was right.

[LImitPlayer]

no I do not make more than 1,000 per day, but hourly yes I make more than the $45/hour that works out to be,

[Uglyowl]

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no I do not make more than 1,000 per day, but hourly yes I make more than the $45/hour that works out to be,

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If you make $45/hour you should be able to figure this out yourself.

[illogical]

That $7500 is not an entirely riskless investment. What if Empire decides your play is suspicious and does not honor your Epoints? Give it a try and let us know how it went, thanks.

[MicroBob]

Those who are saying, "Why would you risk trying it?" are not looking at the post.

The numbers are so incorrect it's silly.


Will round-off some of the numbers just for simplicity because I just woke up from a long nap.

600 SNG's (10+1) = 1200 points

This is 1 point for each dollar of ENTRY-FEE...doubled if you already have 5k points (points are doubled if you are VIP.


why you are squaring this number to get some astronomical figure I have no idea....but points earned from SNG's are NOT squared.
Also, when you play a 10+1 SNG you get 1 point....not 11.


So....600 SNG's of 10+1 = 1200 points

50 multi's (if you can get in that many) = 5000 points

(50 X 50 = 2500....doubled is 5000)

EF's from the 50 multi's is probably another 300 points perhaps


6500 points in one day.

Yippee.
You wasted $6700 to get $65 in cash-back.
Nice job.

[ep510]

What about the off chance that you actually win the tourney (since you're playing so many)? /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[illogical]

[ QUOTE ]
Those who are saying, "Why would you risk trying it?" are not looking at the post.

The numbers are so incorrect it's silly.


Will round-off some of the numbers just for simplicity because I just woke up from a long nap.

600 SNG's (10+1) = 1200 points

This is 1 point for each dollar of ENTRY-FEE...doubled if you already have 5k points (points are doubled if you are VIP.


why you are squaring this number to get some astronomical figure I have no idea....but points earned from SNG's are NOT squared.
Also, when you play a 10+1 SNG you get 1 point....not 11.


So....600 SNG's of 10+1 = 1200 points

50 multi's (if you can get in that many) = 5000 points

(50 X 50 = 2500....doubled is 5000)

EF's from the 50 multi's is probably another 300 points perhaps


6500 points in one day.

Yippee.
You wasted $6700 to get $65 in cash-back.
Nice job.

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Op's numbers seem correct to me. The scam is to take advantage of Empire's formula of squaring MTT entries.

50 X 50 = 2500 x 2 = 5000
1000 x 1000 = 1000000 x 2 = 2000000
1000 10+1 MTT's = $11000 (I'm assuming those 2/3 table MTT counts...don't know)
2000000 / 100 = $20000 Epoints cashback

edit: I just reread you post Bob and you said SNG's don't count

[scolapasta]

Right, the assumption that is being made (and seems potentially questionable) is that mult table SNG's count as MTT's for the sake of the 2x^2 e-points.

[MicroBob]

I believe that 2-3 table SNG's count as SNG's.

I have never checked though.

The web-page that details the formula has not been updated since they added those 2-3 table SNG's.....I was just assuming that they are SNG's since they were under that heading.

I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to confirm one way or another which they are.


If they really do count as MTT's (which I doubt) then
600 of these in a day would indeed be 720000 points or so.

[itsmarty]

The web page that shows the VIP point payout refers to SNGs thusly:

"PARTICIPATION IN "SIT AND GO" TOURNAMENTS (Multi and Single):
for every $2 you pay the house to enter a single-table tournament, you will be awarded 1 EPoint."

Emphasis mine. Sounds like they don't count them as MTTs.

Martin

[MicroBob]

well...that was indeed pretty easy to confirm afterall.

[itsmarty]

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[AAmaz0n]

I was interested in your previous post about playing many MTTs in one day, Bob, because they square the number entered; it sounds like a good way to fast track into the VIP club.

Does anyone know how the goodies from VIP, royal flush, etc (cash back, bonuses, TV ) affect your affiliates earnings from MGR?

Shauna

[MicroBob]

I don't KNOW...but I doubt they effect it at all.

Several have stated that the 'free' $100 each month (which I just got for June btw) does not effect MGR.
I would be pretty surprised if the free TV at 25k points (that I am receiving tomorrow at 3pm...woo-hoo!!) would have any effect either but I really don't have much more than my own personal 'hunch' on this.