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valenzuela
06-05-2005, 12:03 AM
I have only $130 left after losing way too many coin-flips... /images/graemlins/frown.gif, the question is simple...what are the best 5s on the net? Stars turbos? Ub turbos? advice is apreciated.

HighestCard
06-05-2005, 12:09 AM
I play pokerroom 5's, they only take a .50 cent rake, but they have 1500 starting chips, which makes them a little more conservative than party, but still very beatable. I started there with a 100 dollar bank roll, and it went up from there...

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 12:10 AM
ty, how long do they take?, how many tables can I play at a time? for everyone else:Or should I play partys 6s with rakeback.

xLukex
06-05-2005, 12:15 AM
Go play some NL25 and get that up to $200 then hit some more $11s.

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 12:17 AM
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Go play some NL25 and get that up to $200 then hit some more $11s.

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I want to play something that doesnt leave me broke.

TheNoodleMan
06-05-2005, 12:19 AM
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I want to play something that doesnt leave me broke.

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tiddliewinks is good, from what I hear.

Karak567
06-05-2005, 12:20 AM
As someone once posted here "NL 25 beats itself."

psyduck
06-05-2005, 12:22 AM
I was playing 10+1 and lost most of my bankroll, so when I was down to $75 or so, I had to move down to 5+1s. I did okay there 4-tabling (only a day or so), and when my bankroll got sufficient, I got back to 10+1. Now I have enough for 30+3s. Just play at the 5+1s on Party if you don't want to redeposit. It plays the same (slightly more fishier) than 10+1s. Obviously you want to get out of there as soon as possible since the rake is double what it should be

HighestCard
06-05-2005, 12:23 AM
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ty, how long do they take?, how many tables can I play at a time?

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I easily two table the 5's, you could probably 4 table them if your good enough. They take about one hour.

Newt_Buggs
06-05-2005, 01:30 AM
his bankroll is not large enough to play $25 NL

NYCNative
06-05-2005, 10:56 AM
UB. 1,500 beautiful chips, slow blinds (you can turbo if you prefer that sort of thing) and only a 50¢ rake.

1C5
06-05-2005, 11:00 AM
That is why you shouldn't have played the 55s before.

dfscott
06-05-2005, 11:05 AM
Sorry it didn't work out for you. And good job posting about it -- most people crow about their good results and remain silent about their not-so-good ones.

Have you considered the bonus whoring route? When I was playing limit, I had to cash out my entire BR except for about $300. I couldn't stomach grinding out the .5/1 games, so I bonus whored and casino whored. I turned it into $1300 in about a month.

pokerlaw
06-05-2005, 11:18 AM
1) Try some bonus whoring. too bad Pstars's most recent reload bonus just expired on June 2.

2) I play UB and Stars. i like UB more since I can multitable w/o overlap on my 1024x768 laptop resolution using their miniview (the site only allows 3 SNGs at a time though - you can get a fourth table in IF you have 3 SNGs going and then load up a MTT, but once one of the SNGs ends, you can't load up another if you have 3 games, thw MTT and 2 SNGs goin - so odd).

I dont play turbo's very often, but they last around 45-50 min.

The reason I say UB and not Pstars, aside from the multitabling fact, is that Pstars has 9 players and the the fact that you have a technical 33% chance to ITM rather than 30% doesn't make up for the reduced payouts IMHO.

Pstars does let you play at least 4 tables at once, and I recall someone saying that their max is at least 8-10 tables and maybe higher, so if you 4 table, you might want to try Stars.

good luck.

KingDan
06-05-2005, 11:20 AM
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As someone once posted here "NL 25 beats itself."

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That was me /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Do you have a neteller? Some bonus whoring might not be a bad way to build it up. Or you can try risk free Blackjack whoring (some sites you play with their money and if you lose it just cash out)

Big Limpin'
06-05-2005, 11:24 AM
stay at party, stay at 11s. start one tabling. Learn & improve. Please dont flippishly discard this, like "i know what im doing, i just keep losing races". Yeah you went cold, but your best chance of avoiding this reoccuring is to get better. I know thats semi-evasive, but simply dropping a BI level while still quadding isnt going going to fix anything. You are going to have to find 1 leak per day, and plug it. In a week or two later, you'll be an improved poker player, even if your roll isnt much bigger.

*As i re-read what i wrote, it sounds kinda condescending, which i dont mean. I'm not senistive enough to go back and change the grammer to sound all nicey-nicey, suffice it to say,i liek yer style ven, and i wish you well. Please thake this as advice/suggestion not as a lecture.

good luck - BL'

Jurollo
06-05-2005, 11:34 AM
Gambler's anon has some great programs... less than $5 too!
~Justin

45suited
06-05-2005, 11:49 AM
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stay at party, stay at 11s. start one tabling. Learn & improve. Please dont flippishly discard this, like "i know what im doing, i just keep losing races". Yeah you went cold, but your best chance of avoiding this reoccuring is to get better. I know thats semi-evasive, but simply dropping a BI level while still quadding isnt going going to fix anything. You are going to have to find 1 leak per day, and plug it. In a week or two later, you'll be an improved poker player, even if your roll isnt much bigger.

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I totally agree with this advice. I started playing SNGs and lurking on this site about a year ago. I started single tabling on the 5s even in spite of the 20% rake. My thinking was that I wanted to learn and improve and if I made money, that was a bonus. Started with a $50 buy in on PP. Had to re-buy on time for another $50. Continued to study. I didn't have pokertracker or anything fancy. But I kept an organized record of each game I played in a 3 ring binder. I recorded my results after each game and my thoughts about most of the games - key hands, possible mistakes, etc.

I probably stayed on the 5s for too long, but I wanted to "earn" my way up and be conservative. Once my account reached $500, I moved up to the 10s and did went through the same process. I didn't find the 10s any more difficult than the 5s - easier, in fact, because of the lower rake percentage wise.

After a prolonged period of beating the 10s single tabling, I added another table. I didn't go straight from one table to four tables. Now I three-table the 10s and take an occassional shot in the 20s. If I go through a bad stretch, I realize that it could just be variance, but I also carefully look at my games to see if I've done anything wrong. If I feel that I have made too many mistakes, I bear down and single table for a few games. I still take notes after games. If you do this, you can sometimes find a pattern in your mistakes.

I think that some people here are too impatient when it comes to moving up. I have a very nice ROI but I am not going to rush moving up to the 33s. Maybe this is too conservative, but I want to get 1000 games in at the 22s and keep my same ROI. I am in this for the long haul and the bonus is that I am making money while learning a game I love to play. Take your time, and stick to the 11s.

I really don't think it's possible to go through and extended losing stretch on the 11s if all you did was play tight early, don't get too fancy, maintain a decent stack so that you have FE, and then play move-in poker at or near the bubble. This is worst case scenario for when you are very card poor during the early going. Just playing like this alone will make you a winning player at the 11s.

I've read enough of V's posts to know that there is no reason for him to give up on PP. Hang in there and be patient!

Big Limpin'
06-05-2005, 11:58 AM
I am quite confident that, if you continue this work ethic / conservatism, you will have the ability to make a living from this game in the forseeable future.

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 12:03 PM
I cant single-table!, Im 16,single-tabling doesnt mean playing better it just means looking at porn/sportsites while playing poker...anyway those party mfckers closed my account and I dont have my money on neteller(grr..never follow microbet advice)I have a negative feeling about this,lol( i seriously loughed out loud when i wrote the last sentence..im kinda weird u know)

Big Limpin in previous post I have mentioned how horribly Im playing lately, but still not horribly enough to go like 2 out of 18 ITM.

microbet
06-05-2005, 12:06 PM
What advice?

microbet
06-05-2005, 12:07 PM
That $55 adventure was all your idea. I just bet on you.

I'm sure your just kidding, but I don't want the rep of driving the 16 YO to ruin.

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 12:07 PM
neteller account.

microbet
06-05-2005, 12:09 PM
What's the matter with neteller?

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 12:12 PM
U didnt drive to ruin, I had $130, transfered them from party to neteller...my party account is closed and neteller doesnt have my money.
I have the same data in both accounts( real data) the only thing I made up was the zip code because in Chile we dont ahve zip code!!!( my dad told me friday we do but its like 20 digits long)
edit: Im an idiot I made up neteleer data.

microbet
06-05-2005, 12:15 PM
That sucks. I've only withdrawn 2 or 3 times and it worked fine. Anyone else having trouble with Party -> Neteller?

microbet
06-05-2005, 12:16 PM
You know it might take a few days?

dfscott
06-05-2005, 12:26 PM
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As someone once posted here "NL 25 beats itself."

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Not to hijack the thread, but can you elaborate? There a few times I've wanted to play but haven't had the time for a full SnG and thought a cash game might be nice (and for bonus clearing as well).

Do you just play it like the early levels of a SnG?

Sponger15SB
06-05-2005, 12:29 PM
The players are effing terrible. Seriously if you play winning SNG poker just sit down and do whatever, it doesn't even matter.

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 12:31 PM
I made up the address on my neteller account but I can claim I moved. Arghh, now I dont have anything to do on my free time...well I guess Ill play a freemoney multi-table tourney, go all-in with aces or kings against horrible players, go all-in with any 2 against those who think who have a clue.

KingDan
06-05-2005, 12:34 PM
I don't consider myself a very good NL player, but I made a10 BB (double the BB bet, so $5)per 100 at NL 25.
I just played good cards, and had a few reads. Make notes of the very passive people, and you can profitably bet almost every flop heads up.
For the calling stations, just bet your good hands into them and they will pay you off.

dfscott
06-05-2005, 04:02 PM
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The players are effing terrible. Seriously if you play winning SNG poker just sit down and do whatever, it doesn't even matter.

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You're right about that, I just lost my whole stack to a guy that called my pre-flop raise of JJ with QJ.

dhende3
06-05-2005, 04:07 PM
Nut peddling at NL25 wins money, plain and simple. Play exactly according to what KingDan said. Also, for more fun, play NL25 drunk... I once stacked 7 people in one 2 hour drunken session. The key is... adverstise! Raise with 23o from EP to 2 bucks and show it when nobody calls. Do this a couple of times to make your point. Then sit back and play good hands.

1C5
06-05-2005, 04:20 PM
I have to try that, good idea. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

treeofwisdom7
06-05-2005, 04:26 PM
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Go play some NL25 and get that up to $200 then hit some more $11s.

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I want to play something that doesnt leave me broke.

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i played 300 games in the 5's then i took raptors advice and played the 11's with 200 $ .. the 11 is wayy better. easyer just as much fish but less agression. the agression is what makes the 5s so hard trust me. i might be wrong somewhere but the 5's are prolly only beatable by experts..

if you play good play the 11s trust me .. playing these 11s and reading 2+2 has brought me into profits!!

play the 11S with 200 DOIT.. if you drop down to 50$ then play at pokerstars or ub for 1$

elonkra
06-05-2005, 04:32 PM
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what are the best 5s on the net? Stars turbos? Ub turbos? advice is apreciated.

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I'm confused about your question based on some of the follow-up replies. Are you asking about $5 buy-in games or $55 buy-in games?

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 04:34 PM
i want to play the 5s, i know 200 is enough to play the 11s, but 130 isnt. I think Ill play the 6s with rakeback, it aint sooooo bad with rakeback

treeofwisdom7
06-05-2005, 04:40 PM
dude the only reason your losing in the 5's is becasue you lost .50 more everygame. do the math if you played 200 games in the 5+1 then you lost 100$..

the 5's are way tooo hard. have you tried the 10s b4?

45suited
06-05-2005, 04:45 PM
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i might be wrong somewhere but the 5's are prolly only beatable by experts..

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As Sklansky wrote in SSHE about players who complain that the no fold 'em games are hard to beat, "The implication that your opponents' ultra-loose play can somehow prevent you from winning in the long run..." is "absurd".

Same for $5 or $10 SNG's. Value bet more, bluff less. Simple. The idea that the players on the 5s are so bad that they can't be beaten is ridiculous and totally illogical. That would be like saying that Gary Kasparov could not beat someone who had never played chess before because he didn't know what they were planning to do with their pieces.

Just had to vent on that one... That notion and the whole "that's Party Poker" stuff when a 60-40 favorite doesn't hold up are two of my pet peeves...

dhende3
06-05-2005, 04:49 PM
Also... if you can find someone to stake you it will only be $170 until you are good to play the 11s. I seriously suggest my strategy at NL25 though. It should only take a couple of days to bankroll yourself for the 11s again. When I started I had a $100 stake and blew it trying to play WPT style at NL25 (back when .50 was the BB). I then bought in for another hundo. I told myself that if I lost it I would never play online poker again. I read a post about nutpeddling on 2+2. Then I read about advertising and i turned the 50 I had left into 400 (before I knew about rakeback). Playing the 11s, 22s, and $33 3 table SnGs (and some drunk 25NL and 50NL) I have made 5.5k since.

elonkra
06-05-2005, 04:52 PM
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dude the only reason your losing in the 5's is becasue you lost .50 more everygame. do the math if you played 200 games in the 5+1 then you lost 100$..

the 5's are way tooo hard. have you tried the 10s b4?

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This was going to be my first comment, if I could determine for certain that the OP was talking about playing 5s on party. I'm sure there are a variety of explanations for your downswing, but I guarantee you one of them involves the fact that you're dropping a buck just to sit down.

I don't know how anyone can read and post on 2+2 and even c consider beginning a $5 party SNG experiment.

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 05:09 PM
eek..partypoker called me asking for a copy license of my driver license, lol. Good news I was all alone on my home. Should I go on and get a fake driver license???

NYCNative
06-05-2005, 05:13 PM
Dude, just how many more illegal/sketchy things are you going to admit to doing or thinking about doing on this public forum?

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 05:19 PM
My only illegal thing has been playing being underaged. I think Ill just let go of the money and let party keep it.

Voltron87
06-05-2005, 05:21 PM
give me a break, what is your problem with him?

DasLeben
06-05-2005, 05:28 PM
Keep playing the $11s, but as one poster said, drop down to 1-tabling. As for me, if I get that low, I'll keep 3-4 tabling the $11s until I bust my bankroll. Bwahahaha.

$5+1s = Death

treeofwisdom7
06-05-2005, 05:42 PM
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i might be wrong somewhere but the 5's are prolly only beatable by experts..

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As Sklansky wrote in SSHE about players who complain that the no fold 'em games are hard to beat, "The implication that your opponents' ultra-loose play can somehow prevent you from winning in the long run..." is "absurd".

Same for $5 or $10 SNG's. Value bet more, bluff less. Simple. The idea that the players on the 5s are so bad that they can't be beaten is ridiculous and totally illogical. That would be like saying that Gary Kasparov could not beat someone who had never played chess before because he didn't know what they were planning to do with their pieces.

Just had to vent on that one... That notion and the whole "that's Party Poker" stuff when a 60-40 favorite doesn't hold up are two of my pet peeves...

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were you born an @sshole or did you just become one..

you small $hit im not saying your gonna lose more 60-40 im saying that the 10% extra you pay is gonna 0 out a lot of your edge.. read the fine print next time you wax my @ss

45suited
06-05-2005, 05:51 PM
The 60-40 comment had nothing to do with what you wrote. As for my comment about the 5s being beatable only by experts, I responded to your quote. That is what you wrote and it is wrong. I agree that the rake is outrageous, but they are still beatable because of the terrible play that is found there.

You wrote, "I might be wrong somewhere but the 5's are prolly only beatable be experts." You didn't write, "The rake will cut into the profits that you will reap by playing against terrible players." You said that only an expert could beat the 5s. I merely disagreed with your statement. Get over it.

treeofwisdom7
06-05-2005, 05:55 PM
ok let me restate that then. any player who is even close to a break even player should stay away from PP 5$ games. if you break even at the 5 then you have a good chance to +EV at 10s

NYCNative
06-05-2005, 05:55 PM
I don't have any problem with him. I just think that admitting illegal/sketchy things in a public forum isn't the smartest thing.

kyro
06-05-2005, 05:58 PM
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i might be wrong somewhere but the 5's are prolly only beatable by experts..

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As Sklansky wrote in SSHE about players who complain that the no fold 'em games are hard to beat, "The implication that your opponents' ultra-loose play can somehow prevent you from winning in the long run..." is "absurd".

Same for $5 or $10 SNG's. Value bet more, bluff less. Simple. The idea that the players on the 5s are so bad that they can't be beaten is ridiculous and totally illogical. That would be like saying that Gary Kasparov could not beat someone who had never played chess before because he didn't know what they were planning to do with their pieces.

Just had to vent on that one... That notion and the whole "that's Party Poker" stuff when a 60-40 favorite doesn't hold up are two of my pet peeves...

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were you born an @sshole or did you just become one..

you small $hit im not saying your gonna lose more 60-40 im saying that the 10% extra you pay is gonna 0 out a lot of your edge.. read the fine print next time you wax my @ss

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are you related to theredpill? you need to [censored] chill.

DasLeben
06-05-2005, 06:37 PM
Look guys, I mobbed the $5+1s for a while, since I was a college student (now an unemployed poker bum with a Bachelor's degree), and didn't have much of a bankroll. I still don't have much of a bankroll, but that's just a result of my current situation.

You will lose 8-9% of your ROI from the 20% vig alone. I don't think people realize just how significant this is. Losing 8-9% of your return is huge. If you're going to stay at Party, stay with the $10+1s and just single-table. If you need to drop down, make it $5+0.5s somewhere else. The $5+1s are not your friend.

valenzuela
06-05-2005, 06:52 PM
arghh...ok to close my issue up, those fckuers wont give my money because I played with 2 accounts ( i tried sending money to empire poker for rakeback but somehow ended up sending money to my playmoney account)some stupid gilbrantanian biitch called me to send a copy of my driving license to party, anyway I send them an email telling them to keep my money and to stop bugging me ( AKA as account termination) know the thing is who wants to stake me for the 11s on eurobet ( i have rakeback /images/graemlins/smile.gif!!)