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Byrn
12-30-2002, 05:09 PM
I often read articles and internet posts by skilled players stating that they love tournament time because the side games are so good – they can play at higher limits and win more. I have been trying to figure out why that is and have come up with a few reasons why it might be. 98% of my poker experience is online play, so I don’t have any firsthand experience in this area.

My theories are:

1. Tournament time brings out less skilled players who are “taking a shot” or there for the excitement. These players either do not play many events or bust out so early that they spend a lot of time in side games, and the players with more skill can beat these players (who are playing at a higher level than the skilled player normally plays). As this happens for each level - the 20/40 players move up to 30/60 or 40/80, the 10/20 players move up to 20/40, etc – this allows essentially the whole player base to move up without facing necessarily tougher competition. My only problem with this theory is that intuitively I would think that tournaments bring out the better players, not the less skilled ones, but perhaps there are still plenty of the lesser skilled players that come out of the woodwork.

2. In the same vein as theory 1, a lot of home game players and players who don’t normally face cardroom competition will be playing at their normal home levels, even though their skills won’t hold up when faced with more worldly competition.

3. This is a little weaker of a theory, but perhaps as money gets paid to winners in tournaments and “re-circulated”, those players start taking shots at higher levels. Also, those who have brought buy-ins for a whole slate of tournaments, the large amount of money burns a hole in their pockets and the side games (at a higher limit than they normally play) become too tempting.

I have a few other ideas, but those are the main three. I’m sure the reason is a mix of all 3, with 1 and 2 having the most weight. Any tourney side game players want to chime in?

Bozeman
12-30-2002, 06:46 PM
4. Some people go on tilt when they bust out of the tourney.

5. Some people play longer hours than they are used to.

6. Some (good) tournament players are not good ring game players.

Craig

2ndGoat
12-30-2002, 08:27 PM
Two quarter slot players strike up a conversation...
A: You hear about that big poker tournament going on? Top prize is supposed to be over 500 grand! What I'd do with that...
B: Poker tournament? What do you mean, like video poker or something?
A: No, no, it's poker just like you lpay with your buddies on the weekends. A lot of people I've talked to never heard of a poker room in a casino. The house takes a cut, but you're playing against other people.
B: Serious? I'll have to give that a try. I've been lucky with these slots today but I think it's gonna run out soon, time to change games.

Lotta people just get caught up in the atmosphere. I think casino hotel rooms should play rounders in a constant loop during major tournaments to enhance the effect.

Then there's the folks that are a little better, break even maybe or small winners, that go to play in the "lucrative side games" taking their shot when they figure the game is soft. As one WSOP player mentioned last march, if you're a 5/10 HE riverboat player and go to play the "lucrative" 10/20 PLO game, you'll be the one making the game lucrative.

You've already touched on both those reasons, I suppose.

But I think the controlling dynamic is that more money is attracted to the poker room during a tournament, so it's sort of like massive inflation occurs inside- 15/30 has the same feel to it as 8/16 does normally, or some such. That whole ladder thing, mostly the low limits are getting these extra fish, which lets more players move up a bit, which allows for more profit at the higher levels.

I ramble too much. Considered not posting this, but hey, I gotta get myself to "addict" on the boards somehow, right?

2ndGoat

DPCondit
12-30-2002, 08:29 PM
7. Tournaments play differently than ring games. It is hard to change gears back to ring game speed if you have been in a tournament for several hours. I usually won't go near a ring game after busing out of a tournament. In fact, the higher I get in the tournament, the less likely I'll be able to play a ring game with plus ev (directly afterwards). It is true side games are very juicy during tournaments.

Don