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Bigwig
06-04-2005, 03:25 AM
All from Party $50s tonight.

1.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t2025)
UTG (t1522)
MP (t1045)
CO (t1363)
Button (t2920)
SB (t1125)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t75) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t75</font>, Hero calls t75.

2.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t905)
MP1 (t1376)
MP2 (t1577)
CO (t851)
Button (t1442)
SB (t870)
BB (t2100)
Hero (t879)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, UTG+1 calls t100, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t275</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero folds

3. On this hand, villain had suddenly become a maniac ITM.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t3224)
SB (t3140)
Hero (t3636)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t3140 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t2840.

Shilly
06-04-2005, 03:36 AM
Hand 1:

Fold. Why put yourself into a really marginal spot early on? This hand would be different if you hand any sort of redraw, but you're hoping that your MPBK will hold up unimproved. There are so many ways this hand can go wrong on later streets, I would just fold on the flop.

Hand 2:

Call. You're getting slightly worse than 3:1 to call. Fold if you don't improve, and be cautious if you do.

Hand 3:

As long as he's a big maniac, looks fine.

Pepsquad
06-04-2005, 03:48 AM
[ QUOTE ]
All from Party $50s tonight.

1.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t2025)
UTG (t1522)
MP (t1045)
CO (t1363)
Button (t2920)
SB (t1125)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t75) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t75</font>, Hero calls t75.

2.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t905)
MP1 (t1376)
MP2 (t1577)
CO (t851)
Button (t1442)
SB (t870)
BB (t2100)
Hero (t879)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, UTG+1 calls t100, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t275</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero folds

3. On this hand, villain had suddenly become a maniac ITM.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t3224)
SB (t3140)
Hero (t3636)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t3140 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t2840.

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#1 - Auto Fold the flop.

#2 - Stop-n-Go.

#3 - Fold. If he's gone crazy - let him go crazy, something better than A6 will be along shortly.

curtains
06-04-2005, 03:50 AM
Hand one - bet the flop, don't check/call.

45suited
06-04-2005, 03:50 AM
Keeping in mind that I just play at the 11s and 22s...

1) I probably just check / fold, but if you're going to call a bet, why not lead out yourself?

2) Looks okay to me. I'd either fold or push.

3) Read dependent, but my default would be a fold, I'd rather be the one pushing myself.

curtains
06-04-2005, 03:52 AM
Sorry about my hand 1 advice, I thought you called for 5 in SB and it was SB vs BB matchup. I lean towards checking and folding.

Bigwig
06-04-2005, 03:58 AM
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Hand one - bet the flop, don't check/call.

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I value your opinion on all three, whore.

curtains
06-04-2005, 04:06 AM
Yeah and I already retracted my opinion on hand 1. I hate betting out....i totaly misread situation, I thought it was SB vs BB.

Hand 3 I'd actually have to be playing the game to know what Id do.

Hand 2 - I dunno, I think folding is fine, its a bad spot.

Newt_Buggs
06-04-2005, 04:16 AM
hand one I bet out almost always. I think that the chance that you are ahead against whatever junk he is limping if quite high.

hand two I probably call just given the odds, but its close and as always "it depends"

hand three I almost always fold. I'm pretty sure that this is simply a math problem and the SB would have to be a complete nut for you to be able to call.

microbet
06-04-2005, 04:28 AM
I'm sleepy and I know this is not entirely relevant - I was just playin' - but, on hand 3 if he knew you'd fold A6o, he would be correct (ICM $EV this hand only-wise) to push with a wide enough range that it would be correct for you to call (same stuff).

microbet
06-04-2005, 04:31 AM
Maybe your head wouldn't be so full of cobwebs if you slept, like at night.

igotBlackJak
06-04-2005, 04:40 AM
1. fold flop

2. Stop n GO or Insta Push... Someone who freaks out all the sudden is not playing sound poker...

3. fold as quick as you can find the button...

Newt_Buggs
06-04-2005, 12:04 PM
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I'm sleepy and I know this is not entirely relevant - I was just playin' - but, on hand 3 if he knew you'd fold A6o, he would be correct (ICM $EV this hand only-wise) to push with a wide enough range that it would be correct for you to call (same stuff).

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this line of reasoning has really gotten me in trouble lately in situations exactly like this. Yes, if this is a known aggressive player then it might be a call, but most players have much tighter pushing ranges then us and won't be able to exploit this.

adanthar
06-04-2005, 12:14 PM
1)I think I do lead the flop sometimes, like if he sucks and this is Ax or 98 sooted and I probably have the best hand and can make him fold. That's a specific type of donkey, though. Otherwise, just check/fold it.

2)Tough one, probably push or fold. Folding's not bad.

3)If he were a 2+2'er I would spite call this /images/graemlins/smile.gif Otherwise, math problem, feels like a marginal fold, etc.

freemoney
06-04-2005, 12:33 PM
in hand 1 button is big stack he can easily afford to fire a second barrel with a worse hand especially with the passive line you take, since you cant get aggressive here its a check/fold.

hand 2 this raise is really read dependent- against some players it means QQ+ and i have seen others do this with QJs, i dont think a fold is bad at all against the right player.

hand 3 is marginal, if opponents are tough and defend blinds well then i could call here, if one of them is passive i can find a fold, or how good player is you would be heads up with can change this decision.