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TheEnd

06-03-2005, 01:22 PM

With my 500$ won playing the 10+1, I tried the 20+2.
Everything was ok ( +500$ again ) until now : I m down 20 buy-ins.
Maybe because I choose the wrong situations to go allin.... any thoughts?

examples :

1.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50
Hero (t730)
UTG (t810)
MP1 (t555)
MP2 (t1145)
CO (t1225)
Button (t2280)
SB (t1255)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, MP1 raises to t100, 4 folds, Hero calls t50.

Flop: (t225) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t630 (All-In), MP1 calls t455 (All-In).

FWIW : lost to Qs Qc

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2.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300
Hero (t886)
SB (t880)
BB (t1204)
UTG (t2260)
MP (t2275)
CO (t495)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to t886 (All-In), SB calls t730 (All-In), BB calls t586.

FWIW : lost to BB's Ah Jc - SB had Kd As

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3.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100
Hero (t735)
SB (t1590)
BB (t2580)
UTG (t1340)
MP (t1755)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to t735 (All-In), SB calls t685, 1 fold.

FWIW : lost to Qs Kd

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4.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400
Hero (t1555)
SB (t1620)
BB (t2435)
UTG (t2390)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to t1555 (All-In), SB raises to t1620 (All-In), 1 fold.

FWIW : lost to Ad Jd

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5. raise less and see the flop??
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50
Hero (t730)
CO (t1085)
Button (t815)
SB (t920)
BB (t480)
UTG (t710)
UTG+1 (t520)
MP1 (t1370)
MP2 (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t50, UTG+1 calls t50, MP1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t730 (All-In), CO calls t730, 3 folds, UTG calls t660 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

FWIW : lost to Td Kd - CO had Js Ac

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6.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100
Button (t1815)
SB (t2845)
BB (t445)
UTG (t2385)
Hero (t510)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t100, Hero raises to t510 (All-In), 3 folds, UTG calls t410.

FWIW : lost to 6s 6c

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7.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30
Hero (t805)
UTG+2 (t725)
MP1 (t790)
MP2 (t585)
MP3 (t455)
CO (t910)
Button (t870)
SB (t935)
BB (t770)
UTG (t1155)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to t85, 3 folds, MP3 calls t85, CO calls t85, 3 folds.

Flop: (t300) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t200, MP3 raises to t370 (All-In), CO folds, Hero calls t170.

FWIW : lost to Ah Th

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8.fold ?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200
Hero (t1005)
UTG (t1165)
MP (t1510)
CO (t990)
Button (t1910)
SB (t1420)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
4 folds, SB raises to t1420 (All-In), Hero calls t805 (All-In).

FWIW : lost to Kd As

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9.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200
Hero (t1105)
Button (t1845)
SB (t690)
BB (t2210)
UTG (t2150)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to t1105 (All-In), 2 folds, BB calls t905.

FWIW : lost to Qs Qd

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10.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200
Hero (t1790)
SB (t1715)
BB (t2100)
UTG (t2395)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to t450, 1 fold, BB raises to t2100 (All-In), Hero calls t1340 (All-In).

FWIW : lost to Ts As

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11.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200
Button (t1400)
Hero (t1110)
BB (t2285)
UTG (t1960)
MP (t1245)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to t1110 (All-In), BB calls t910.

FWIW : lost to Qd Qh

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12.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50
BB (t1075)
UTG (t720)
UTG+1 (t1232)
MP1 (t1165)
Hero (t530)
MP3 (t443)
CO (t655)
Button (t1220)
SB (t960)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t530 (All-In), 3 folds, SB calls t505, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds.

FWIW : lost to As Ac

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13.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100
Hero (t910)
BB (t710)
UTG (t970)
MP (t2130)
Button (t3280)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Button raises to t250, Hero raises to t910 (All-In), 1 fold, Button calls t660.

FWIW : lost to 2h As

Voltron87

06-03-2005, 01:25 PM

looking at all the hands you lost all ins to is a horrible excercise. Sometimes you have the perfect steal situations and they have aces. youre also going to ignore all the successful steals, this is a horrible substitute for actually learning how to play poker.

Nottom

06-03-2005, 01:29 PM

Voltron87

06-03-2005, 01:31 PM

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looking at all the hands you lost all ins to is a horrible excercise. Sometimes you have the perfect steal situations and they have aces. youre also going to ignore all the successful steals, this is a horrible substitute for actually learning how to play poker.

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Espescially when a good portion of these are just bad beat posts.

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exactly. i didnt even read the hands.

a push isnt bad because you lost, its bad because of the circumstance.

Karak567

06-03-2005, 01:51 PM

Don't post results, or people like me will say "Bad beat posts are cool."

Seriously though, they all look like solid pushes to me. There were a couple spots in there where you are pushing with solid hands and I would push with any two.

Pokerscott

06-03-2005, 01:56 PM

I find about 7 in 8 tournaments end with a Fatal all-in for me...

Pokerscott

45suited

06-03-2005, 02:06 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50
BB (t1075)
UTG (t720)
UTG+1 (t1232)
MP1 (t1165)
Hero (t530)
MP3 (t443)
CO (t655)
Button (t1220)
SB (t960)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t530 (All-In), 3 folds, SB calls t505, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds.

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This is the only one that I don't like. A3suited isn't strong enough with this many yet to act. Plus you're not so desperate that you have to make this play. I'd be okay taking the blinds and waiting for a better spot.

TheEnd

06-03-2005, 02:07 PM

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looking at all the hands you lost all ins to is a horrible excercise. Sometimes you have the perfect steal situations and they have aces. youre also going to ignore all the successful steals, this is a horrible substitute for actually learning how to play poker.

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ok. understood. first and last time

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Espescially when a good portion of these are just bad beat posts.

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exactly. i didnt even read the hands.

a push isnt bad because you lost, its bad because of the circumstance.

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I wrote the post quickly, some HH can be bad beats and I definitely shouldnt have posted the results.

but what do you think of the "circumstances" of these 2 ( second one is a call ) :

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5. raise less and see the flop??
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50
Hero (t730)
CO (t1085)
Button (t815)
SB (t920)
BB (t480)
UTG (t710)
UTG+1 (t520)
MP1 (t1370)
MP2 (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t50, UTG+1 calls t50, MP1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t730 (All-In)

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8.fold ?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200
Hero (t1005)
UTG (t1165)
MP (t1510)
CO (t990)
Button (t1910)
SB (t1420)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
4 folds, SB raises to t1420 (All-In), Hero calls t805 (All-In).

jcm4ccc

06-03-2005, 02:17 PM

1. A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif

I hate the call preflop. A9s is a drawing hand. If you're going to play it, you want a lot of opponents, not heads up. I wouldn't argue much with an all-in preflop, though I would be inclined to dump it given the small blinds and the fact that the limper is short stacked and more likely to call you.

2. K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif
I would certainly push this. I would probably push any 2 (the short stacks in the SB and BB worry me a bit, so I'm not certain I would push any 2).

3. Good Play

4. Good Play

5. Good play. Lots of money in the pot already. I wouldn't mind taking this down preflop.

6, Good play

7. A little more preflop, but that's nitpicking. Good play.

8. Good chance that SB is on a blind steal. I think I would call this.

9. Good play, I think. I would probably push.

10. This is the only terrible play that I see. You absolutely want to push it. There is no way that you want to play this flop or call an all-in reraise.

11. Good play

12. I don't like this play either. A3 is too easily dominated, and you already have one limper who has your stack easily covered. Muck this.

13. I don't like this either. You are almost certainly going to be in a coin flip with the Big Stack. The other 2 small stacks are loving this.

beeyjay

06-03-2005, 02:23 PM

aww your first downswing. thats cute. i hate to be condescending but since you included bad beats i dont feel that bad. in all seriousness though, 20 buyins is really nothing and you will see far worse if you stick with sngs. you can look at your hand histories all day (which i think is a highly productive thing to do because there are always leaks in there that could be fixed) and not find anything responsible for your losses. Just looking at the hand that eliminated you is really pretty much next to worthless though. I'm sure you made bigger mistakes in virtually all these tourneys than these hands.

Phil Van Sexton

06-03-2005, 02:23 PM

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looking at all the hands you lost all ins to is a horrible excercise. Sometimes you have the perfect steal situations and they have aces. youre also going to ignore all the successful steals, this is a horrible substitute for actually learning how to play poker.

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Espescially when a good portion of these are just bad beat posts.

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exactly. i didnt even read the hands.

a push isnt bad because you lost, its bad because of the circumstance.

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I can't believe I read his whole post, but he has a couple valid questions mixed in with all the crap.

Most of them are just bad beats, and I would've played most of them exactly the same (including the A3s hand).

The 2 exceptions: #10 the 66 hand was awful. You can't raise small and then call here with a hand like 66. This is a push.

#13 KQo. The big stack is definately going to call, so I wouldn't gamble with your 910 chips here. KQ doesn't dominate many hands.

You asked about #5 QQ and #8 TT. You made the correct play in both. Any other play is horrible. The fact that you are asking makes me question whether you should be playing the 20s.

Voltron87

06-03-2005, 02:27 PM

I wouldnt say he would hit far worse like it is something that happens regularly if youre playing well. if you go on gorilla tilt regularly then it will.

I just had a mini downswing, a large part due to me playing like [censored], and I just had a set where I finished 1,2,1,2. Whoot!

TheEnd

06-03-2005, 03:48 PM

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I can't believe I read his whole post,

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I m glad u did

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You asked about #5 QQ and #8 TT. You made the correct play in both. Any other play is horrible. The fact that you are asking makes me question whether you should be playing the 20s.

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I think I was too much eager to play the 20s... and as I ve played only 250 SNGs ( half 10s, half 20s ), I m going back to the 10s where I ll get back my self-confidence .... I hope...

psyduck

06-03-2005, 03:58 PM

If you can, remove all the "OPPONENT HAD X,X". It's [censored] annoying. At the least, put them in white. I think that a bunch of people skipped your hands entirely because of this.

There's only the question of whether a push was +EV or not, considering your fold equity, stack sizes, # of players left, blah blah.

The way you came out though, you should play at the 10+1s till you have at least 30 buy-ins for 20+2s. I'm at the 20+2s right now, and won't be moving up till I have 40 buyins for the 30+3s. It might be a little conservative, but it's swings like these that you want to be able to endure.

DasLeben

06-03-2005, 04:14 PM

The only ones I find questionable are 1, 10, 12, and 13. The rest are just bad beats posts.

1 - I fold preflop
10 - I open push preflop
12 - I fold preflop
13 - I fold preflop

Take it for what it's worth, but most of these were played by the book.