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Luke
06-03-2005, 11:33 AM
In the following situations assume you are in the SB, the BB is a 23/9/1.0 player and the game is 5/10 FULL at Party ($2 SB):

1. Unknown CO open raises, button folds, you have 55...

2. The CO has an attempt to steal blind stat of 25 and he open raises, the button folds, you have 66...

3. CO w/ASB of 25 open raises, button folds, you have A9o

4. CO w/ASB of 25 open raises, button calls, you have ATo

5. CO w/ASB of 25 open raises, button folds, you have T9s
Luke
06-03-2005, 02:04 PM
Here's how I would play each of these situations:

1. Fold 55
2. Raise 66
3. Fold A9o
4. Raise ATo
5. Fold T9s

Anyone have any thoughts on these plays?

Luke
kahntrutahn
06-03-2005, 07:08 PM
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1. Fold 55
2. Raise 66
3. Fold A9o
4. Raise ATo
5. Fold T9s


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I'd do the same as you I think... but I play 2/4, so I'm just guessing at my reactions in 5/10
ihardlyknowher
06-03-2005, 09:05 PM
1. call
2. call
3. fold
4. fold
5. call
S_Perry
06-03-2005, 09:16 PM
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In the following situations assume you are in the SB, the BB is a 23/9/1.0 player and the game is 5/10 FULL at Party ($2 SB):

1. Unknown CO open raises, button folds, you have 55...

2. The CO has an attempt to steal blind stat of 25 and he open raises, the button folds, you have 66...

3. CO w/ASB of 25 open raises, button folds, you have A9o

4. CO w/ASB of 25 open raises, button calls, you have ATo

5. CO w/ASB of 25 open raises, button folds, you have T9s

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1. 3-bet
2. 3-bet
3. 3-bet
4. 3-bet
5. Call
S_Perry
06-03-2005, 09:16 PM
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1. call
2. call
3. fold
4. fold
5. call

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Terrible.
ihardlyknowher
06-03-2005, 11:17 PM
Your right, it's great to create big pots and be out of position with hands that have horrible implied odds.
aK13
06-04-2005, 12:01 AM
1. Call
2. Call
3. 3bet
4. 3bet
5. Call

I'm check/raising all the call hands on a favorable flop.
Isura
06-04-2005, 02:33 AM
1) 3-bet. Calling is terrible here IMO.
2) 3-bet. Same as 1.
3) 3-bet.
4) 3-bet.
5) call. 3-bet to mix it up against a thinking opponent if I play against them a lot.
Isura
06-04-2005, 02:38 AM
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Your right, it's great to create big pots and be out of position with hands that have horrible implied odds.

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Calling with 55 or 66 in this position is pretty bad (unless BB is super tight and will fold a lot from the BB for 1 bet). Investing that extra SB has a great chance of eliminating BB. We want to play a hand like 55 HU, it has good showdown value against a 25% ASB CO raiser. Same goes for A9-ATo. This is not a spot to play 55 for implied odds anyways. We can usually make up the extra SB invested with postflop play by playing this hand HU.
aK13
06-04-2005, 03:02 AM
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Your right, it's great to create big pots and be out of position with hands that have horrible implied odds.

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Calling with 55 or 66 in this position is pretty bad (unless BB is super tight and will fold a lot from the BB for 1 bet). Investing that extra SB has a great chance of eliminating BB. We want to play a hand like 55 HU, it has good showdown value against a 25% ASB CO raiser. Same goes for A9-ATo. This is not a spot to play 55 for implied odds anyways. We can usually make up the extra SB invested with postflop play by playing this hand HU.

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Thats right -- I forgot BB might tag along more often if we call. I'm liking the 3bet more now.
aK13
06-04-2005, 03:05 AM
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB

kinda similar =O.
S_Perry
06-04-2005, 08:04 PM
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Your right, it's great to create big pots and be out of position with hands that have horrible implied odds.

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You don't understand. You want to seize the initiative with hands that play very well HU and have showdown value against an wide range of stealing hands and you want to make sure that the BB gets out. Implied odds and big pots don't matter when you have a very good chance of getting the flop HU, and since you have far too much of a hand to fold in each case you want to take control.

Let me be more specific, you want to fold A9o/ATo and call with T9s. This is totally bass-akward.