99 Early

[Myst]

#Game No : 2146347529
***** Hand History for Game 2146347529 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:12763828 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Friday, June 03, 00:23:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 15036 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: stivodagreat ( $695 )
Seat 2: Mystraised ( $715 )
Seat 3: Izzyblughin ( $770 )
Seat 4: JEBAC11 ( $845 )
Seat 5: eaglez07 ( $1690 )
Seat 6: tcarterman ( $670 )
Seat 8: bebekids ( $785 )
Seat 9: Qdogg51 ( $865 )
Seat 10: bobbycroix ( $965 )
Trny:12763828 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mystraised [ 9d 9c ]
eaglez07 folds.
>You have options at Table 15032 Table!.
tcarterman calls [15].
bebekids calls [15].
Qdogg51 folds.
bobbycroix folds.
stivodagreat raises [30].
Mystraised calls [30].
Izzyblughin folds.
JEBAC11 calls [15].
>You have options at Table 13809 Table!.
tcarterman calls [15].
bebekids calls [15].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, 2d, 4d ]
JEBAC11 checks.
tcarterman checks.
>You have options at Table 13809 Table!.
bebekids bets [75].
stivodagreat calls [75].
Mystraised is all-In [685]

[citanul]

i haven't played any 22s lately, but this doesn't look great to me. i dunno. i hate folding overpairs as much as the next guy, but "no set, no..." you've got 4 opponents, any of whom could easilly have a set. that's a big problem. i dunno, play could be fine, but i don't think i'd do it. i'd just fold on the flop like the sissy i am with a field this large.

citanul

[lastchance]

You play 109's. This is a $22. Your opponents are far too liable to suck here for you to lay an overpair down here to somewhat little strength. With t300 in the pot, I like the push.

[jgunnip]

Generally I call min-raises with TT but not 88. I think 99 is kind of a either or (fold or call) for me. Sometimes I like to play 99 in flop situations like yours, with an over pair, which is why I'll sometimes call a small raise PF, however I don't like having this many opponents. And so being that there are already too many oppoents for my liking in the pot, I would fold this before the flop and defintely in your situation after the flop.

[citanul]

you should be calling a miniraise at lvl 1 particularly, with any pocket pair, especially if there are other players in the pot.

citanul

[jgunnip]

I know that's the general concensus here and I do with any PP if I can close the action, but I feel if I'm going to invest more than 15 chips I like to have at least some overpair strength.

[citanul]

this is a very bad attitude. you should try it out, at least for a week, trying to play small pairs early and cheap.

citanul

[Phill S]

Baah. Id cry if you were playing with my money.

Its called weak-tight for a reason.

Phill

[jgunnip]

I'm very open to trying this. I just hate when I call min-raise or limp and then call the min-raise only for it to get re-min-raised. I'll always in this situation but yeah, I suppose my thinking is that if I put a limit on my PF middle/low PP invest to the pot to the BB, then I can avoid these other situations all together. My intuition says your response will be that these other situations I'm avoiding are most likely negligible to my ROI.

I also don't open limp with 66 or less in the early level. At least one limper and sometimes two if I'm in LP. Yeah, I'm very weak-tight early with PP but what gives. I'm playing the 11s know and I can give up these opportunities now for better ones a round or two down the line.

[pergesu]

Doesn't happen a ton. Don't let selective memory scare you.

[NYCNative]

The minraise doesn't tell me anything. Would you have raised with these 9s in good position in an unraised pot? I probably do. When I am in a situation where I would have raised but a minraiser beat me to it, I will reraise to about what I would have raised anyway - in this case to about t100. It helps define things a little better and if anyone raises that, you can get away from the hand.

I think a raise to t200 or so wins the pot after the flop but I guess a push is play too.

[Myst]

#Game No : 2146347529
***** Hand History for Game 2146347529 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:12763828 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Friday, June 03, 00:23:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 15036 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: stivodagreat ( $695 )
Seat 2: Mystraised ( $715 )
Seat 3: Izzyblughin ( $770 )
Seat 4: JEBAC11 ( $845 )
Seat 5: eaglez07 ( $1690 )
Seat 6: tcarterman ( $670 )
Seat 8: bebekids ( $785 )
Seat 9: Qdogg51 ( $865 )
Seat 10: bobbycroix ( $965 )
Trny:12763828 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mystraised [ 9d 9c ]
eaglez07 folds.
>You have options at Table 15032 Table!.
tcarterman calls [15].
bebekids calls [15].
Qdogg51 folds.
bobbycroix folds.
stivodagreat raises [30].
Mystraised calls [30].
Izzyblughin folds.
JEBAC11 calls [15].
>You have options at Table 13809 Table!.
tcarterman calls [15].
bebekids calls [15].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, 2d, 4d ]
JEBAC11 checks.
tcarterman checks.
>You have options at Table 13809 Table!.
bebekids bets [75].
stivodagreat calls [75].
Mystraised is all-In [685]

My thinking was as follows:

Preflop:

The miniraise on the 22s could mean as much as KK or as little as 67s. If I dont know the player, it really doesnt mean anything. Ill typically call with any pocket pair in this situation, especially if there's callers behind, because the chances of being limp reraised, or just reraised, are so low in level one. 99, to me, has a lot of set value, and minimal overpair value.

Flop:

When the guy bets into the original raiser, I'm thinking either two things. Usually 80 % of the time, hes representing top pair and is trying to figure where hes at with the preflop raiser. The other 20% of the time, hes semibluffing to get a draw for cheap. When the original raiser flat calls, that only means two things (at least to me). He has AK, AQ, KJ type of hand, and has missed the flop, or he has a monster (a monster being not an overpair, but a set, because with an overpair, almost all players would reraise in a spot like this to avoid giving cheap draws to the players behind). I'd put the former at 90%, and the latter at 10%, especially at the 22s.

With only two players left to act after me, there's alot of money in the pot, and more than likely I have the best hand. So I reraised all in?

Flaws in my thinking here?