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SonOfWestwood
06-03-2005, 12:34 AM
BB is not particularly good but hasn't done anything especially stupid yet, 52/13/1.67 after 23 hands (W$SD 1/5)
UTG+1 is very fishy, 50/13/2.15 after 244 hands (W$SD 9/32), raising with things such as Axs, QJo, QTo, JTo.

It just feels like there should have been a raise by me some time here. Felt like a donkey calling on the flop and turn. My thoughts, or lack there of, are noted with each round. Comments on all streets appreciated.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($23.05)
UTG ($35.25)
UTG+1 ($22.45)
UTG+2 ($67.55)
MP1 ($24.3)
MP2 ($42.08)
MP3 ($19.05)
Hero ($53.45)
Button ($13.05)
SB ($32.8)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.75</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.75, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, SB folds.

I figure one of them's got a 9 and the other a flush draw, and that I want the flush draw along for the ride, so I just call.

Turn: ($3.50) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, UTG+1 calls $3, Hero calls $3.

Here, I just did a very basic implied odds calculation. I figured if I hit the flush it was worth at least 3-4 more dollars for me, so I just called again.

River: ($12.50) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, BB calls $4, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: $20.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 9h 8h (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has Ac Jc (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $20.50. </font>

xcrack999
06-03-2005, 12:54 AM
I think I would had played it the same way. Another line would be to semi-bluff push on the flop, but you have very little folding equity against these calling stations, especially if one of them has a nine.

Weatherhead03
06-03-2005, 01:00 AM
I like that play..I would have played the same, and in the end it worked out for a decent pot.

nietzreznor
06-03-2005, 02:15 AM
I think your line is okay. With 2 overs and the nut flush draw, raising (semi-bluff) is often good, but not when you have this many opponents, and not when you suspect that at least one has trips. If you raise the flop and the one with a 9 comes over the top, you are in trouble. Not to mention that raising may eliminate the other flush draws, which you would LOVE to keep in. In multiway pots, you are basically getting the pot odds to call down.
Also, I would bet a little more on the river, personally--if one has a 9, do you think he will let it go for a 1/2 pot bet ($6ish)? What about 2/3? Just seems like you could extract a little more...