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Scuba Chuck
06-02-2005, 08:55 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t80, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls t70, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50.

Flop: (t320) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t320) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>.....

Bigwig
06-02-2005, 08:59 PM
I don't like it. I would like it just fine if you were facing one opponent, possibly two, but not three. It goes back to that old conversation: If they were a big enough donk to call preflop with Ax, would they fold it now? Almost certainly not. And the likelihood of somebody having an A here is pretty high.

LeVoodoo
06-02-2005, 09:03 PM
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If they were a big enough donk to call preflop with Ax, would they fold it now?

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But would these donks check the flop and turn when they pair their ace?
I don't mind the play. It would be a different story if hero was first to act, but it was checked around on the flop and two of the three opponents checked to him on the turn too. Seems like one of those instances where the first to bet wins the pot.

valenzuela
06-02-2005, 09:04 PM
anything thats not being weak-tight early isnt for me...risk reward ratio is not worth it, ure going to have to fold if some balloney min-raises u to 300. Do you really think this is a porfitaable play on the long run, I dont but I may be wrong

Bigwig
06-02-2005, 09:05 PM
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If they were a big enough donk to call preflop with Ax, would they fold it now?

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But would these donks check the flop and turn when they pair their ace?

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Checking the flop and turn with an A against 3 opponents would be a serious mistake, of course. One that many a donk makes.

psyduck
06-02-2005, 09:24 PM
A donk would definitely check with his aces, wanting to "slowplay" his "nuts". I check behind on the turn and hope to check on the river for a free showdown. I also fold any sizeable bet on any street.

Just that the number of people who play ace-garbage is high, so I don't think that JJ is going to be best here often.

MrX
06-02-2005, 10:05 PM
you have to bet this turn and I like a 150-200 bet. If they check their ace twice in a row you'll know momentarily. You'll kick yourself when K falls on river and dude's KQ wins.

Or, when you check turn and dude with TT gets tricky and makes a decent bet on the river.

You are ahead more than not here..be careful with the size of the bet (you were). If called check behind on a non-J river of course.

MrX

jgunnip
06-02-2005, 10:23 PM
Call the raise. Check/fold unless you hit it. But of course, I'm a weak-tight BIATCH.

Scuba Chuck
06-02-2005, 10:28 PM
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Call the raise. Check/fold unless you hit it. But of course, I'm a weak-tight BIATCH.

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WTF are you talking about?

jgunnip
06-02-2005, 11:06 PM
Sorry. Call the pre-flop raise. Check/fold post-flop unless you hit a hand that can beat a pair of aces.

Scuba Chuck
06-02-2005, 11:22 PM
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Call the raise. Check/fold unless you hit it. But of course, I'm a weak-tight BIATCH.


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WTF are you talking about?

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Sorry. Call the pre-flop raise. Check/fold post-flop unless you hit a hand that can beat a pair of aces.

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I should say "Again, WTF are you talking about?"

But I won't.

Newt_Buggs
06-02-2005, 11:46 PM
he's saying to only call UTG+1's mini raise pf rather then reraise. I think that if you choose to reraise this then you need to make it a little bit bigger.

I think that betting this is fine, and 150 is a good amount. You aren't pushing out an A, so you might as well keep it small.

Scuba Chuck
06-03-2005, 12:20 AM
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I think that betting this is fine, and 150 is a good amount. You aren't pushing out an A, so you might as well keep it small.

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Those were my thoughts. It's been checked to me by most opposition twice, and if I do bet, I don't think I'm pushing out an A. t150 just 'felt' like the right amount.