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Firefly

06-02-2005, 01:06 PM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Firefly is MP1 with Two Cards
1 fold, Jaran raises, Firefly 3-bets, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB calls, Jaran caps, Firefly calls, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Jaran bets, Firefly raises, MP2 calls, BB folds, Jaran 3-bets, Firefly caps, MP2 calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Jaran checks, Firefly bets, MP2 calls, Jaran raises, Firefly calls, MP2 calls.

River: (20.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Jaran bets, Firefly calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 23.25 BB

Okay guys.
What do I have?
What does Jaran have?
Remember to put us on ranges as we progress through the hands. Neither of us have gotten out of line yet. Hands to be revealed later /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Jaran

06-02-2005, 01:08 PM

I know, I know!

BTW, you played your hand fine, IMHO.

-Jaran

Firefly

06-02-2005, 01:11 PM

of course i did :P
It's just an interesting hand. Considering my range of hands, i think you played yours fine..i might have played it differently, but i think your line was also fine.

gharp

06-02-2005, 01:11 PM

Jaran = A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Firefly = JJ

Firefly

06-02-2005, 01:12 PM

hehe. Good guesses, but wrong. I can definately see where you are coming from though.

MrWookie47

06-02-2005, 01:18 PM

I think it looks like AA/KK versus QQ/JJ.

Jaran

06-02-2005, 01:21 PM

OK, but who has which (or am I missing something?)

-Jaran

MrWookie47

06-02-2005, 01:22 PM

Sorry, I put you, the more aggressive player in the hand, on AA/KK, and Firefly on a scared QQ/JJ.

AmarilloJim1

06-02-2005, 01:23 PM

I think AA vs. KK

cold_cash

06-02-2005, 01:23 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Jaran = A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Firefly = JJ

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This is a good guess, but since I know it's wrong I'm going to say:

Jaran: JJ
FireFly: AA with a /images/graemlins/heart.gif

PuckNPoker

06-02-2005, 01:25 PM

*posting blind*

pf: Jaran and you: AK-AQ,AA-TT

Premium hands only here

Flop:
Both: AhKh,AhQh, TT, JxJh

While I think AA,QQ,KK (especially if you have a heart) is likely, capping would be overplaying it on such a drawtastic board. Although there are a lot of people in it so I'm probably wrong there.

Turn: Firefly: JxJh,TT Jaran: AhKh-AhQh

Firefly improved, Jaran improved more.

River: Firefly: JJ, if he had TT he just made his boat and doesnt fear the flush.
Jaran has the nut flush imho.

Firefly

06-02-2005, 01:25 PM

you got one of the hands right.

PuckNPoker

06-02-2005, 01:28 PM

Whoops based on your posts after it looks like you have AA/KK and jaran has the JJ.

Firefly

06-02-2005, 01:29 PM

Nice breakdown.
PF i doubt Jaran caps AQs
On the flop i'm capping AA-QQ. I want the donk to define his hand and i want him out if he's drawing live.
Turn. I definately have to have a heart to bet this imho. Jaran's c/r means a huge hand and he knows i have to have something good to be betting the turn in the first place.

Good breakdown, but slightly off. Jaran is a tricky bastard.

Firefly

06-02-2005, 01:31 PM

I had KK with a /images/graemlins/heart.gif
Jaran had JJ with no hearts.

His turn check worried me, but i had to bet the turn with the overpair and 2nd nut flush draw. I knew he couldn't have AKh, so QQ /images/graemlins/heart.gif or JJ were his only real possibilities, but i had to call down in a huge pot.

cold_cash

06-02-2005, 01:33 PM

You must have had Kings with a /images/graemlins/heart.gif instead of Aces?

Edited to add: I swear I didn't cheat, and Jaran's a champion luckbox sucker-outer.

Firefly

06-02-2005, 01:39 PM

On the flop i had massive equity.
Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=996495
pokenum -h kh kd - jd jc - as kc -- th 8h 9d
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 9d Th 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Kh 469 51.94 427 47.29 7 0.78 0.522
Jc Jd 336 37.21 560 62.02 7 0.78 0.375
As Kc 91 10.08 805 89.15 7 0.78 0.103

Then he turned the best possible card for his hand. Oh well. Next hand.

Jaran

06-02-2005, 01:42 PM

Just an aside, both my pf and flop cap were due to the other players giving me a nice overlay.

-Jaran

Jaran

06-02-2005, 01:44 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Edited to add: I swear I didn't cheat, and Jaran's a champion luckbox sucker-outer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Only against you, bro. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Jaran

gharp

06-02-2005, 01:45 PM

[ QUOTE ]
As Kc 91 10.08 805 89.15 7 0.78 0.103

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Wait a minute -- the other dude went to showdown with an unimproved AK!? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Jaran

06-02-2005, 01:49 PM

[ QUOTE ]
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As Kc 91 10.08 805 89.15 7 0.78 0.103

[/ QUOTE ]

Wait a minute -- the other dude went to showdown with an unimproved AK!? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Gotta love party, doncha? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

-Jaran

PuckNPoker

06-02-2005, 01:50 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Wait a minute -- the other dude went to showdown with an unimproved AK!? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

He had a Backdoor Straight Draw on the river, gotta call with that..

KingOtter

06-02-2005, 01:59 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Firefly is MP1 with Two Cards
1 fold, Jaran raises, Firefly 3-bets, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB calls, Jaran caps, Firefly calls, MP2 calls, BB calls.

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EP raiser, tight/aggressive I'm assuming (heh). AA-99, ATs+,KQ, perhaps.
MP re-raiser, raising an EP raiser, AA-JJ,AQs+,AK ... don't mind isolating with making it 3-bets to everyone... maybe off-suit broadway or high pair.
EP capper, hmm, definitely thinking AA-QQ, AKs now.

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Flop: (16.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Jaran bets, Firefly raises, MP2 calls, BB folds, Jaran 3-bets, Firefly caps, MP2 calls, UTG+1 calls.

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Super-connected board. Raises can be for value for flush-draws, OESD draws, or high pairs. Doesn't really narrow it down too much, although I expect someone to have a JJ, and the OESD on the flop.

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Turn: (14.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Jaran checks, Firefly bets, MP2 calls, Jaran raises, Firefly calls, MP2 calls.

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A double-completer. Completes the straight and the flush. Jaran checks since Firefly showed the last aggression... Firefly bets his JJ, and Jaran raises his AK/images/graemlins/heart.gif.

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River: (20.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Jaran bets, Firefly calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 23.25 BB

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KingOtter

06-02-2005, 02:00 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Jaran = A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Firefly = JJ

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Dang, that's what I said... co-worker came in while I was composing so it took forever to finish it.

Oh well.

Kumubou

06-02-2005, 02:29 PM

Pre-flop: Jaren on a fat PP (AA/KK/QQ); Firefly on the same plus some lower PPs (JJ/TT) and some big broadway cards (AK/AQs; KQs).

Flop: Almost certainly looks like overpairs for both of you. Jaren could hold A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif now (but that would be weird to cap pre-flop, but not batshit insane), whereas I seriously doubt Firefly has that (why peace people out on a flush draw?). I'm starting to lean torward TT for Firefly, since I'm almost certain that I'm up against a big PP (with a sane villan capping) and wouldn't be confident that I was ahead unless I spiked a set.

Turn: Jaren still repping either the high overpair or A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Now a set for Firefly looks less likely, but I do not know how far Jaren would push AA on this board... maybe moreso than usual, because he knows he is ahead of the vast majority of 3-betting hands here. I doubt Firefly has JJ, as he probably would have popped one more off turning the straight.

Addition: How did I miss that checkraise? He himself might have JJ (I'll randomly cap JJ pre-flop and hate myself for doing it), but the most obvious hand here seems to be A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif now.

River: Firefly doesn't have TT or boom the dynamite would have gone. Jaren's range does not change a bit.

-K