Good time for a Stop-N-Go?

[NYCNative]

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t4485)
UTG (t5600)
MP (t3255)
Button (t610)
Hero (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero...

[pergesu]

Got any read? Big stack + UTG min raise smells like a big hand to me. I sure wouldn't want to get involved under those circumstances. But that would change entirely based on any read you might have.

[NYCNative]

My impression of villain is that a minraise is not a sign of strength, like most at the $11s.

[jcm4ccc]

Stop and Go? No. Because:
1. You have preflop folding equity (even though it's the big stack raising you, it was a minraise).
2. You have lots of chips left.
3. Are you really going to push if the flop is, say, As, Ks, Qs?

Calling the bet and then deciding whether to push is not a stop and go.

[1C5]

Min raise gives me nightmares. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

From last night:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t1000)
UTG (t710)
MP1 (t1550)
MP2 (t1791)
CO (t1874)
Hero (t500)
SB (t575)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t500 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls t300.

Flop: (t1150) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t1150) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t1150) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1150

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Ac As (full house, aces full of jacks).
Hero has 6c 6s (full house, sixes full of jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins t1150. </font>

[Degen]

no way...not vs the big stack

do it vs a smaller or equal sized stack, or at least somebody who would be hurt by doubling you up, he'd most likely call with big cards on a rag flop.

Andre

[durron597]

Push preflop?

[Phill S]

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Push preflop?

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This is what id do - make it an instant push, dont show weakness by thinking for more than a second or two about it.

Phill

[AbelM]

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Push preflop?

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This is what id do - make it an instant push, dont show weakness by thinking for more than a second or two about it.

Phill

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In my experience it's the other way around.

[NYCNative]

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You have preflop folding equity.

[/ QUOTE ]Interesting. I read that I didn't have any fold equity here. I thought given his chip stack that he would call an all-in. I didn't think the minraise was the sign of a monster, but I thought he would call an all-in from my stack. That's why I considered the Stop-N-Go.

[Phill S]

Your betting 850 more into a 450 pot (his bet, your 'call' and the SB).

This has FE, though not quite as much as most would think. At the same time, his raise screams as much of a bully raise than a 'come over the top of me' type small raise.

Tank it preflop - your not desperate enough to make a stop and go, but at the same time you are desperate enough that you need to make a stand soon. Your chances wont get much better in the near future.

Phill
ps, im willing to accept i may be wrong about the timing issue - in my experience fast raises indicate strength to weaker players more than slow ones, again all imo.

[NYCNative]

Results: I pushed preflop. Villain called with middle Ace - I think an A8 or something. He spiked an Ace on the flop so while I was right in guessing that I didn't have fold equity, he would have called a bet with that flop. Fortunately the flop was all diamonds and I turned a diamond to get the four-flush and win the hand.

[kyro]

Advice for you:

Add villain to buddy list.

[jcm4ccc]

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Results: Villain called with middle Ace - I think an A8 or something . . .[so] I was right in guessing that I didn't have fold equity

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Results oriented thinking.

[NYCNative]

No it isn't. My read that he wouln't fold to a push was confirmed by the results. I thought he wouldn't fold before I made my decision.

[Phill S]

Just dont use the results of this hand to dictate future play.

You do have FE against most players here - and yes, note down his idiocy.

Phill

[fluorescenthippo]

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No it isn't. My read that he wouln't fold to a push was confirmed by the results .

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results oriented thinking

[NYCNative]

Ah, so every time villain does exactly what you thought he would it then becomes results oriented? Whatever.