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IQ89
06-02-2005, 06:48 AM
If Jackson is found guilty do you think oldies radio stations "will" or "should" keep playing his music?

thatpfunk
06-02-2005, 06:49 AM
Yes, yes.

Should we stop listening to The Who as well?

IQ89
06-02-2005, 06:52 AM
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Should we stop listening to The Who as well?

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Please excuse my ignorance of history, but was somebody in 'The Who' found guilty of raping children?

thatpfunk
06-02-2005, 06:56 AM
I believe Pete was found with a large library of child porn. If you're going to draw the line, I think that qualifies.

IQ89
06-02-2005, 06:57 AM
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believe Pete was found with a large library of child porn. If you're going to draw the line, I think that qualifies.

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What an idiot, Lol.

thatpfunk
06-02-2005, 06:58 AM
Are you saying you don't have a problem with someone looking at child porn?

-Skeme-
06-02-2005, 07:02 AM
How did you draw that conclusion?

IQ89
06-02-2005, 07:03 AM
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What an idiot.

[/ QUOTE ]Are you saying you don't have a problem with someone looking at child porn?

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No, I'm saying you're an idiot.

introv
06-02-2005, 07:04 AM
Yeah, I don't see the difference between looking at pictures of 14 year old girls and sticking your penis in 12 year old boys either ... they are exactly the same thing!

thatpfunk
06-02-2005, 07:06 AM
1) He edited his post.

2) If I am going to change my views about an artists work for things that they have done later in life, child pornography would be enough to do so.

That being said, their actions have little effect on my views of their art.

thatpfunk
06-02-2005, 07:08 AM
Reading comprehension: "if you're going to draw the line, I think that qualifies."

Figure out what that means.

Vavavoom
06-02-2005, 07:23 AM
Why would they stop playing his music...when...:

Gary Glitter still has music played...
Jonathon King (Producer) has many ties to artistes....do they stop playing his music...

On another note, whilst I think there is no smoke without fire....MJ has had xxxx's of children in his ranch and only 2 claims have come forrward......Don't u think there would be more....people with a penchant for this stop don't pick 2 out of hundreds/thousands......I think he is an ill person and that this is being exploited.....I will never stop listening to MJ as he has been a pioneer of music and changed the way music is....

Excuse me for speaking up about this but I think paedo's are the *SCUM* of the earth.....If I ever have my children harmed by one....

I will punish them beyond realms of human comprehension.....
that is all that is left to say on the matter.....SHAMONE !!

partygirluk
06-02-2005, 07:25 AM
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I believe Pete was found with a large library of child porn. If you're going to draw the line, I think that qualifies.

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Not accurate. He was found to have given his credit card details to a kiddy porn site, but not to have downloaded any images. He said he was doing so for research purposes for a book he was writing.

The once and future king
06-02-2005, 07:26 AM
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I believe Pete was found with a large library of child porn. If you're going to draw the line, I think that qualifies.

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Utterly untrue and the way everyone accepted this as fact in subsequent posts is quite disturbing.

apd138
06-02-2005, 07:31 AM
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I believe Pete was found with a large library of child porn. If you're going to draw the line, I think that qualifies.

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Utterly untrue and the way everyone accepted this as fact in subsequent posts is quite disturbing.

[/ QUOTE ] I'm having trouble locating this "everyone" you speak of.

thatpfunk
06-02-2005, 07:32 AM
Ah, makes sense and I am glad to hear it. I was using a headline I remembered as an example (a poor one it seems).

-Skeme-
06-02-2005, 07:35 AM
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Not accurate. He was found to have given his credit card details to a kiddy porn site, but not to have downloaded any images. He said he was doing so for research purposes for a book he was writing.

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Some researcher.

bukkrukk
06-02-2005, 07:46 AM
btw, when´s the verdict announced?

IQ89
06-02-2005, 09:28 AM
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Why would they stop playing his music when Gary Glitter still has music played

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I've never heard of Gary Glitter, so I looked him up and see that he just finished doing a two month sentence for having child porn. Possession of child porn vs. child molestation has already been discussed in earlier posts.

You also mention Jonathan King (the producer) who I've never heard of, so I looked him up and see he's doing seven years for sexually abusing boys.

With somebody like Jonathan King you're talking about somebody behind the scenes. The number of people who think of a producer or an engineer when they listen to a particular song is infinitesimal. If a radio station plays a Michael Jackson song after (if) he's convicted is making a clear statement, "We don't give a Sh**. And if you don't like it change the channel."

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On another note, whilst I think there is no smoke without fire....MJ has had xxxx's of children in his ranch and only 2 claims have come forrward...Don't u think there would be more....

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Heck I don't know. Didn't that whole catholic priest scandal start with just a few kids? Then snowballing into quite a large number, including some adults coming forward claiming publically for the first time that they had been abused as children? I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens with Jackson (but of course on a much smaller scale).

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I will never stop listening to MJ

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Well, what people do in private is thier own business.

IQ89
06-02-2005, 09:40 AM
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btw, when´s the verdict announced?

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I think they start the closing arguments today (how long that will take I don't know), then the jury will go decide the case.

BusterStacks
06-02-2005, 09:42 AM
I didn't read this thread, but Roman Polansky won an oscar (or whatever). MJ is da [censored], and is still the king of pop. Not only that, I will prop bet anyone he is innocent, or at least found not guilty. I don't think he did this.

introv
06-02-2005, 09:43 AM
I'm pretty sure I understand what you are suggesting.

Personally, I think there are many lines. Looking at pictures of 14 year old girls is very different to looking at pictures of 8 year old ones (I'm not saying either is right but I certainly see a very clear distinction).

When people start directly interfering with children they have crossed another line.

Apologies for the sarcasm in my previous post, but the latter makes me want to cut the offenders balls off, beat the crap out of them, and put them in concrete wellies. And that's where my line gets drawn!

jakethebake
06-02-2005, 09:47 AM
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If Jackson is found guilty do you think oldies radio stations "will" or "should" keep playing his music?

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The fact that you refer to stations playing MJ music as "oldies" makes me feel so old.

Vavavoom
06-02-2005, 09:52 AM
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Heck I don't know. Didn't that whole catholic priest scandal start with just a few kids? Then snowballing into quite a large number, including some adults coming forward claiming publically for the first time that they had been abused as children? I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens with Jackson (but of course on a much smaller scale).


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Think about what you're saying....this is one of the biggest court cases involving a celebrity since OJ....? They would have come out of the woodwork.....yet they haven't...

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With somebody like Jonathan King you're talking about somebody behind the scenes. The number of people who think of a producer or an engineer when they listen to a particular song is infinitesimal. If a radio station plays a Michael Jackson song after (if) he's convicted is making a clear statement, "We don't give a Sh**. And if you don't like it change the channel."


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Thats clever, if u have any idea about this guy...he isn't some sound engineer or some mixing editor.....This guy was the Dr Dre of his day when it came to producing records.....

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Well, what people do in private isn't the point of this thread.

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Really ???? The original question asked whether Radio Stations will play his music...........I can't see how they will stop playing it if he's found guilty.

The only thing I feel is, that if he is found guilty, then lots of false accusations will pop up as mud sticks.....and once guilty of a crime all similar crimes will carry a HUGE question mark....


As mentioned by other posters....

Child porn vs Child molestation.......is there a difference...either way its the same thing...

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Child molestation in this case involved 13yr boys..... Albeit alledgedly....Whereas child porn has normally involved infant or 10< yr olds....There is a massive difference....!!! And without sounding like a NIT..... ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE

IQ89
06-02-2005, 11:05 AM
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Think about what you're saying....this is one of the biggest court cases involving a celebrity since OJ...?

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The OJ trial was played out on television live, for months. The Jackson case is not. You only really hear updates on the news, which children generally don't watch. If he's convicted, more children may find the courage to come forward. Some kids go into such a state of denial over sexual molestation, they often don't remember it until they are an adult. And even then only after a long period of time in psychological counseling.

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They would have come out of the woodwork.....yet they haven't...

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You're are assuming that if he's guilty, that there must have been a large number of children involved. I'm not sure that that would have to be the case. I don't deny that he has a genuine affinty for children. But maybe he has very specific taste for the ones he is allegedly attracted to sexually. Pure speculation though.

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if u have any idea about this guy...he isn't some sound engineer or some mixing editor.....This guy was the Dr Dre of his day when it came to producing

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Dr. Dre is a household name among kids, Jonathan King isn't and never was. Dr. Dre is a performer who's had hit songs and has performed IN hit videos.

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I can't see how they will stop playing it if he's found guilty.


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Great. That's why I posted the question, to get the opinion of others. I have no idea if one or more stations will choose to not play his music, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that maybe some will decide not to if he's convicted (which I would be surprised if he did get convicted).

Pocket Trips
06-02-2005, 12:00 PM
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If Jackson is found guilty do you think oldies radio stations "will" or "should" keep playing his music?

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I am against any radio station playing his music... guilty or innocent /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Tron
06-02-2005, 12:44 PM
Okay, how about Sid Vicious? He KILLED a person, and The Sex Pistols are still occasionally on the radio, and I've heard them in video games and other places as well.

Talk2BigSteve
06-02-2005, 01:11 PM
His old stuff is ok. He is very overrated IMHO. I hope they do stop playing it.

I am just wondering what kind of punishment they can give him.

First in the Prison System he will have to be placed in protective custody due to the fact that he will be targeted by other inmates. Convicts hate Child Molesters!!!

I hope he gets sent up the river to California Pound Me In The Ass Prison, and ends up someones Biatch!!!

Living, Learning, and Laughing.

Big Steve /images/graemlins/cool.gif

jnalpak
06-02-2005, 01:15 PM
didnt he claim it was for "research" and let off?

bwana devil
06-02-2005, 01:49 PM
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didnt he claim it was for "research" and let off?

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yes. he is now on the registered sex offender list for 5 years as a result of his "research."

IQ89
06-02-2005, 02:25 PM
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Okay, how about Sid Vicious? He KILLED a person, and The Sex Pistols are still occasionally on the radio

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Was he convicted? Didn't he die before it went to court?

daryljobe777
06-02-2005, 09:48 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Mr. Glitter was found guilty, several NHL teams stopped playing "Rock and Roll: Part 2."

Vavavoom
06-03-2005, 04:27 AM
Several NHL teams doesn't mean that people have stopped playing his records....

dsm
06-03-2005, 09:48 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong

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You're not wrong.

Several NHL teams did stop playing Rock and Roll (Part 2) after Mr. Glitter was found guilty. So if M.J. is found guilty he can probably expect much the same, at least here in the U.S.A.

For those unfamiliar with the title of the song "Rock and Roll (Part 2)," that's because it's an instrumental (no lyrics for the most part). You'll remember the tune though:

Rock and Roll (Part 2) -RealPlayer- (http://www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe?~aaa-600111/0223465_0202_00_0002.ra)

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