ITM SS Post Flop hand...pretty interesting actually.

[Nick M]

This is a 27 PS Turbo...Both aggressive players.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t2385)
Button (t4993)
SB (t6122)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t1000) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t1800</font>

HERO????

[igotBlackJak]

say GH and walk away right?

[pergesu]

Opponent overbets the pot on a two-suited, paired board, with one card higher than your high card...you've got no draw, obvious or backdoor...what part of this is interesting?

[jeffraider]

I may be high but how can this be anything but a fold?

[treeofwisdom7]

is there something were not getting , something you left out, or am i drunk and dont know it.

if you didnt have reason to push preflop you wouldnt have reason to push on the flop.

[curtains]

I don't think calling the flop is so terrible against the right kind of player.

Also if you think there is maybe a 20-25% chance they will fold to a raise preflop, then you should move allin preflop I think.

[curtains]

[ QUOTE ]
Opponent overbets the pot on a two-suited, paired board, with one card higher than your high card...you've got no draw, obvious or backdoor...what part of this is interesting?

[/ QUOTE ]

Because some players would check this flop with a king or a five. They also would have raised preflop with an ace or pair. Against these players, it becomes correct to call, especially since you have so few chips and the blinds are so high.

(btw you should probably push preflop, because believe it or not, there is a decent chance that you will end up folding the best hand with queen high on a lot of flops.)

[pergesu]

Aight, so you're getting ~1.5-1 that he's bluffing, and have 0 FE. I don't see any viable play other than folding. Push the next hand, steal some blinds.

[curtains]

[ QUOTE ]
Aight, so you're getting ~1.5-1 that he's bluffing, and have 0 FE. I don't see any viable play other than folding. Push the next hand, steal some blinds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah and he might be bluffing a lot more than necessary to make the call correct. There are some players that you can pigeonhole well enough to know they can't have an ace/king or five here, or at least know that the chances are good enough to make it worth calling.

Again I would push preflop, because I don't want to be given the chance to fold the best hand postflop.

[DasLeben]

Eh, I might try to take this down preflop. In fact, with these blinds, I do that just about every time. I dunno, I could be wrong.

[stupidsucker]

I am with Citinal on this one.

Its pointless to not push preflop if you are going to make this call. You would have to have one hell of a read to take the that line.

[tigerite]

If you're wrong then I am, too. I push preflop.

[ripped]

Push. If he had an A or K he would have pushed you off the hand from the SB. if he has a PP he would have pushed also. If he has a 5 he wouldnt bet so strong and maybe not at all waiting for you to throw your stack at it.

I think your Q is good but I also would have pushed PF after he completes.

[Nick M]

I agree completely that I probably should have pushed preflop. That might be a mistake. Although one could argue that SB would have the right odds to call after I pushed. 3135 in the pot and he needs to call 1735...sooooo a push might be right but he should call with most hands here especially with a lot of chips to gamble with.

[Nick M]

well here is the hand

No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/06/01 - 00:45:16 (ET) Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: hero (2385 in chips)
Seat 6: Hufnagel (4993 in chips)
Seat 9: Martan1022 (6122 in chips)
hero: posts the ante 50
Hufnagel: posts the ante 50
Martan1022: posts the ante 50
Martan1022: posts small blind 300
hero: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [3d Qh]
Hufnagel: folds
Martan1022: calls 300
hero: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ks 5s 5d]
Martan1022: bets 1800
hero said, "i think my q is good"
hero said, "if u had an ace or king u move in"
hero: calls 1735 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ks 5s 5d] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 5s 5d 8h] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Martan1022: shows [Ts 2s] (two pair, Tens and Fives)
hero: shows [3d Qh] (a pair of Fives)
hero said, "gh"
Martan1022 collected 4820 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4820 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 5s 5d 8h Tc]
Seat 4: hero (big blind) showed [3d Qh] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 6: Hufnagel (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Martan1022 (small blind) showed [Ts 2s] and won (4820) with two pair, Tens and Fives

[TheNoodleMan]

ahhh, a creatively disguised bad beat post.

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
I am with Citinal on this one.


[/ QUOTE ]

Did Citunal secretly post?

[lorinda]

Being outdrawn on the occasions you are actually ahead is something you have to factor in when you call.

He's almost always going to have six outs or more.

Lori

[lorinda]

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ks 5s 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
3d Qh 424 42.83 520 52.53 46 4.65 0.452
Ts 2s 520 52.53 424 42.83 46 4.65 0.548 </pre><hr />

Remember, this was a 'good' scenario.

Lori

[TheNoodleMan]

[ QUOTE ]
Being outdrawn on the occasions you are actually ahead is something you have to factor in when you call.



[/ QUOTE ]
especially when you tell him your hand so he knows that he isn't drawing dead.

[Nick M]

hahah i don't think telling him after he pushes makes much of a difference. I just wanted him to know why I was calling.

[psyduck]

the hell? don't be results-oriented. push preflop. fold on the flop unless you have the VERY specific read the villain overbets the pot when he has absolutely nothing (no draws, no pair). even then, you have queen-high that only beats jack-high or lower on this flop. i'm sorry, but this hand isn't interesting at all