W. Deranged
06-01-2005, 05:37 PM
[I cross posted this in the Small Stake forum because I'm not entirely sure where live 10/20 hands belong...]
10/20 at Turning Stone.
The big limit game at the Stone is usually 20/40, populated almost entirely by regulars, but that was not going. So the 10/20 was the biggest game going. This is the first time I've sat down at the Stone above 5/10, and I picked a good night.
The table was EXTREMELY loose-aggressive. Several players were raising very weak hands pre-flop (Q9o behind three limpers and such), and AJo was an auto-three-bet hand for most players. There was one TAG in the game who was not invovled in the hand in question and two lag pre-flop types who played well post flop. The other players in the game were fish.
Seat 8 was a loose agressive pre-flop player who tended to play very well post flop. Seat 10 was a very poor player, who cold-called chronically pre-flop with weak hands and was perpetually chasing hands down to the river and mucking the river (these could be draws or pairs or pretty much anything). The game is 7-handed at this point.
Deranged is under the gun with A /images/graemlins/club.gif A /images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Deranged (Seat 5) RAISES, seat 6 (tag) folds, seat 8 RE-RAISES, seat 9 folds, seat 10 (button) cold-calls three, seat 1 (SB) cold-calls 2.5, seat 2 (BB) cold-calls two, Deranged CAPS, all call.
5 to the flop capped, 20 SB.
Flop: Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif 10 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Check, Check, Deranged BETS, seat 8 RAISES, seat 10 cold-calls two, fold, fold, Deranged THREE-BETS, call, call.
Three to the turn for 29 SB.
Turn: Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif
Deranged checks (????????), seat 8 checks, seat 10 checks.
River: 10 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
Deranged checks (??????), seat 8 checks, seat 10 checks.
My obvious question is what line I should take on the turn and river. I don't think there's really much to say about the early streets. My general thought on the turn was that:
1) I had too much hand to fold for one bet at any point and wanted to get to a showdown as cheaply as possible. I did not want to give myself a chance to think about folding to a raise which could be a bluff.
2) The board was so draw heavy and the pot was so big that I was not going to be able to protect my hand on the turn against any kind of draw, even gutshots, particularly considering the looseness of the seat 10 player.
The river I think I may have just missed.
10/20 at Turning Stone.
The big limit game at the Stone is usually 20/40, populated almost entirely by regulars, but that was not going. So the 10/20 was the biggest game going. This is the first time I've sat down at the Stone above 5/10, and I picked a good night.
The table was EXTREMELY loose-aggressive. Several players were raising very weak hands pre-flop (Q9o behind three limpers and such), and AJo was an auto-three-bet hand for most players. There was one TAG in the game who was not invovled in the hand in question and two lag pre-flop types who played well post flop. The other players in the game were fish.
Seat 8 was a loose agressive pre-flop player who tended to play very well post flop. Seat 10 was a very poor player, who cold-called chronically pre-flop with weak hands and was perpetually chasing hands down to the river and mucking the river (these could be draws or pairs or pretty much anything). The game is 7-handed at this point.
Deranged is under the gun with A /images/graemlins/club.gif A /images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Deranged (Seat 5) RAISES, seat 6 (tag) folds, seat 8 RE-RAISES, seat 9 folds, seat 10 (button) cold-calls three, seat 1 (SB) cold-calls 2.5, seat 2 (BB) cold-calls two, Deranged CAPS, all call.
5 to the flop capped, 20 SB.
Flop: Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif 10 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Check, Check, Deranged BETS, seat 8 RAISES, seat 10 cold-calls two, fold, fold, Deranged THREE-BETS, call, call.
Three to the turn for 29 SB.
Turn: Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif
Deranged checks (????????), seat 8 checks, seat 10 checks.
River: 10 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
Deranged checks (??????), seat 8 checks, seat 10 checks.
My obvious question is what line I should take on the turn and river. I don't think there's really much to say about the early streets. My general thought on the turn was that:
1) I had too much hand to fold for one bet at any point and wanted to get to a showdown as cheaply as possible. I did not want to give myself a chance to think about folding to a raise which could be a bluff.
2) The board was so draw heavy and the pot was so big that I was not going to be able to protect my hand on the turn against any kind of draw, even gutshots, particularly considering the looseness of the seat 10 player.
The river I think I may have just missed.