SNG Specific Hand Tracking App

[rvg72]

Hi,

Been a long time reader of 2+2 and have done quite well in SNG's especially since finding this site and learning the power of the push.

I was looking for an app that would analyze a tournament and show each hand, my position, stack sizes, how I played it and the end result. I do have Poker Tracker but it doesn't do what I want for SNG's.

I have not seen an app like this so I'm probably just going to build it myself but wanted to see if anyone had ideas on what they would like to see in it. I'd make it available for free as a small repayment to these forums - really just want something that I could go over later and quickly see how I played an SNG.

rvg

[citanul]

i don't understand what it is that pokertracker doesn't do that you want it to do, but i think that if it doesn't do it, nothing currently available does.

new programs are always welcome, and good luck with your programming.

welcome to the forum.

citanul

[bluefeet]

have you seen/tried the replayer? works for PP and PS (after conversion)...not sure if it supports any other sites.

replayer (http://teamfu.freeshell.org/news/december_2003.html)

[hummusx]

rvg, I've got something like this in the works. I'm actually trying to finish up a new hand converter since the old one is busted, then I'm going to take it to the next step and do full tournament conversion to a summary. That's what I really want, to be able to post an entire hand history in some sort of format that people can/will actually look at.

[multifast1]

You can write your own script to extract what you're looking for out of Poker Tracker's database. It's just an Access database that can be mined. Check out PT's forum and see if you can find some help there. No point wasting all that data you've already mined.. just to get it in the format you want.

[rvg72]

Thanks for the comments and info,

Hummusx, I think we're thinking along the same lines with the one page tournament summary concept. Since yours isn't ready yet I'll probably take a crack at it to have something basic running for the short term.

Thanks,

rvg

[rvg72]

So something like this was what I was thinking (this shows the first 4 hands of the SNG):

SNG Chart (http://www.cmmi-roi.com/sng.htm)

Orange = Small Blind
Red = Big Blind

R(80) = Raise of 80
C(15) = Call of 15
etc

You would have 1 line per hand in the SNG and below this there would be another section that showed in more detail any hands you played.

The idea behind this is it is a 1 to 2 page printable view of the SNG.

Anything that already does this? Do you see value in this? Should I continue? Any other fields I should add?

rvg

[hummusx]

The problem is that it only gives you the preflop play. I'm not sure a chart is the ideal view for poker hands.

[rvg72]

Thanks for the comments,

I was trying to determine the best way to show this information and a chart seemed like a good fit.

The top section of the chart would be completely focused on preflop play and then there would be a second section below this that would show all played hands in more detail. Maybe a summary at the very top with key stats would help?

I'm going to probably go ahead and find a few hours to build this over the next week or two so if anyone plan on using this and has anything they would like to see added then let me know.

Thanks,

rvg

[rvg72]

I have just about finished version 0.1 of the program and here is an updated tournament view:

SNG Chart (http://www.cmmi-roi.com/sng.htm)

Orange = Small Blind
Red = Big Blind

Grey = You folded hand preflop

Rank = Percentile strength of hand vs number of opponents remaining (so AA = 100% and 72o usually 0%)

I was thinking about adding some ICM type stats here as well or maybe a ranking of how the hand plays heads up against a typical all-in calling hand. Anybody have any suggestions?

[hummusx]

How are you figuring the ranking? I guess I don't really understand what the number means.

[MrBrightside]

you know , you could probably do that in excel with the data query tool actually pull the data out of the PT database (just give it a tourney #?) if you need help with the sql query, give me a holler.

[rvg72]

I'm getting the ranking from a computer simulation that was done on the net a while back with millions of hands and it looked at each hole card possibility against 1 to 9 opponents assuming everyone goes to showdown. It then ranked each hand based on the number of opponents and chance of winning so, for example, low pocket pairs are much higher ranked against 1 opponent than 9.

I then look at what percentage of possible hands that your hole cards are better than (or equal to). So A7s against 9 opponents is 88% meaning that it has a winning percentage greater than 88% of possible hole cards combinations.

The rank is really just a quick number to quickly gauge the hand - I want to add more SNG applicable numbers here but am looking for advice.

Thanks

[rvg72]

What I really want to do with this is get it to the point where you could input rules based on level, players remaining and stack size and have it highlight questionable hands for quick review.

You would then be able to either justify your move based on reads or learn from it and try not to make the same mistake next time.

That's the plan anyways! The first part was pretty easy - creating a semi-advanced analyzer that spots issues is not so easy but no question it can be done.

[zambonidrivr]

check out pokeroffice. i like it much better than poker tracker

[hummusx]

Wow pokeroffice now includes PV-like features? Including odds. Damn, thinking buying PV was a big mistake. I'm gonna download the trial version and play around with it tonight.

[tigerite]

I use PokerOffice, it's great, but I like the fact that hardly anyone uses it /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[rvg72]

My thread got hijacked! Well I guess the message is that there isn't enough value in this right now to be of much use to the 2+2 community. I'll work on the second part (analyzing decisions and making rules) and post when done.

If anyone has anything they would like to see then let me know!