Strategy for tourneys with unlimited re-buys?

[Rocco]

I mostly play freezeouts so I basically wonder how to play tournaments where you have unlimited re-buys during the first hour (5 levels)? The buy-in is low so imagine you have no problems splashing out for 6-7 re-buys...

For example... Yesterday, I participated in a $10-tourney (1500 starting chips) with unlimited re-buys (another $10 för 1500 chips) and one add-on (during 1st break) at Royal Card Club. People were acting like crazy, for example I had my AA all-in called by K8off... So, what's my plan?

- Quickly re-buy a couple of times so I get a healthy stack to work with?
- See a lot of flops and try to catch something and re-buy only when you're shortstacked?
- Play tight and wait for excellent opportunities to go all-in?

[raptor517]

well, in the stars 10+1s, i take the initial rebuy so i have 3k chips. then i proceed to push every hand until i double up. at this point i push only 1/3 of my hands. if i get my stack into 5 digits, i slow down and start playing poker. its really relaxing doing this, as i know ill be in for 300 sometimes, but thats just 1.5 sngs, right? first place for some of these 10+1 rebuys is in the neighborhood of 8-10k, so its not SOOO bad.

ok, so u wanted real advice. dont follow this advice. its bad. however, dont be afraid to get it in with AJ+/99+, as all the other idiots are playing garbage too. holla

[AceofSpades]

Just curious, but how often in rebuy tournaments like that do you finish in the money/make over your buy-in? 30 times seems like a lot but maybe my bankroll is pretty small compared.

[raptor517]

well, im up overall in rebuy tournaments, so enough i suppose. its more to blow off steam than take seriously and make money though. once i have a huge stack i play solid poker though.. and if you have a huge stack, its tough not to do well. people play scared. period. harass them. holla

[durron597]

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well, in the stars 10+1s, i take the initial rebuy so i have 3k chips. then i proceed to push every hand until i double up. at this point i push only 1/3 of my hands. if i get my stack into 5 digits, i slow down and start playing poker. its really relaxing doing this, as i know ill be in for 300 sometimes, but thats just 1.5 sngs, right? first place for some of these 10+1 rebuys is in the neighborhood of 8-10k, so its not SOOO bad.

ok, so u wanted real advice. dont follow this advice. its bad. however, dont be afraid to get it in with AJ+/99+, as all the other idiots are playing garbage too. holla

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If you think this strategy is dumb, remember that Phil Ivey coldcalled allin preflop in a rebuy tournament with 62s. And Daniel Negraneau rebought 28 times in the $1000 NLHE and ended up finishing third and making a profit of $70k.

[Voltron87]

the negreanu thing was to win a sidebet, not to win money.

[raptor517]

yes, but he DID win money didnt he /images/graemlins/wink.gif holla

[bestcellar]

I think the entire "push until your blue in the face" strategy is tremendously overrated. My two biggest takes in unlimited rebuy tourneys have come when I took ZERO rebuys. I just bought in and added on. Took 3rd/273 for $3,000 and 7/250 for about $5-600. Every time I try to play the maniac strategy it never seems to work. I never double up until I'm already in for like 10x the buyin or worse, I just never double up and I go down like $200.

I prefer to play my normal poker game, augmenting it by pushing with every premium hand like AK and AQ and any high to mid pair. I'll also take any race I can get for the first hour.

[ClaytonN]

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If you think this strategy is dumb, remember that Phil Ivey coldcalled allin preflop in a rebuy tournament with 62s. And Daniel Negraneau rebought 28 times in the $1000 NLHE and ended up finishing third and making a profit of $70k.

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Both were done to "blow off steam" so to speak

In Negreanu's case, he actually had a minimal amount of chips after the rebuy, FYI. He just played smart with the little he had.

[raptor517]

maybe u dont have the sample size? some tournaments ill be in for 30, some i will be in for 10, some i will be in for 3. i use pretty much the same strategy for all rebuys, and have been quite successful in building a stack and maintaining it throughout the tournament. holla

[bestcellar]

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maybe u dont have the sample size? some tournaments ill be in for 30, some i will be in for 10, some i will be in for 3. i use pretty much the same strategy for all rebuys, and have been quite successful in building a stack and maintaining it throughout the tournament. holla

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I think it's suspect to push with really bad, uncoordinated hands like T2o and J4o even if you have maybe a 20-30% chance of doubling up. I can understand pushing any PLAYABLE hand. But pushing EVERY hand? That's just expensive and somewhat ludicrous.

[raptor517]

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I think it's suspect to push with really bad, uncoordinated hands like T2o and J4o even if you have maybe a 20-30% chance of doubling up. I can understand pushing any PLAYABLE hand. But pushing EVERY hand? That's just expensive and somewhat ludicrous.

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i never said anything about this being an IDEAL strategy. it is relaxing to suck out on someone that has AK when you have T2o. it is NOT ideal to do this. at all. period. the end. however, its fun. its 10 bucks, and i still make money doing it, so im not too worried about it. if you are worried about the 10 bucks, then play solid. there will be plenty of idiots like me trying to suck out on you. holla

[bestcellar]

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I think it's suspect to push with really bad, uncoordinated hands like T2o and J4o even if you have maybe a 20-30% chance of doubling up. I can understand pushing any PLAYABLE hand. But pushing EVERY hand? That's just expensive and somewhat ludicrous.

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i never said anything about this being an IDEAL strategy. it is relaxing to suck out on someone that has AK when you have T2o. it is NOT ideal to do this. at all. period. the end. however, its fun. its 10 bucks, and i still make money doing it, so im not too worried about it. if you are worried about the 10 bucks, then play solid. there will be plenty of idiots like me trying to suck out on you. holla

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Not worried about $10. Concerned about blowing $300, as you've said you've done, and also concerned about blowing my tourney early by playing hands I consider to be unplayuable.

[bestcellar]

besides, I play the same way whether a tourney is $100 + R or $10 + R. The buy-in shouldn't affect how you play poker.

[yoadrians]

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The buy-in shouldn't affect how you play poker.

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Very, very well said.

[raptor517]

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besides, I play the same way whether a tourney is $100 + R or $10 + R. The buy-in shouldn't affect how you play poker.

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this is wrong. do you see why?

if you are playing in a 10 dollar tournament, you wont be able to make as many higher level plays, ie, bluff check raises on the turn, as you will against better players in bigger buyin tournaments, where you can make someone fold a hand. in a 10 dollar tournament, you will not be able to bluff as much early, and will need to rely on showing down a hand. so in fact, the buyin DOES affect how you play poker. holla

[bestcellar]

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besides, I play the same way whether a tourney is $100 + R or $10 + R. The buy-in shouldn't affect how you play poker.

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this is wrong. do you see why?

if you are playing in a 10 dollar tournament, you wont be able to make as many higher level plays, ie, bluff check raises on the turn, as you will against better players in bigger buyin tournaments, where you can make someone fold a hand. in a 10 dollar tournament, you will not be able to bluff as much early, and will need to rely on showing down a hand. so in fact, the buyin DOES affect how you play poker. holla

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I can get a read on whether I can bluff somebody whether it's a $10 or $100 or $1000 buy-in. Making broad generalizations about gameplay is not very smart. Every table, and by extension, every player is different.

I can make "high-level" plays at $10R just fine.

[bestcellar]

FYI, in stars $10 tonight I'm in for $150 and all I have to show for it is the minimum at the break. 0 for 9 in coin flips.

[Moonsugar]

Sounds like your high level plays arent working out too well.

[bestcellar]

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Sounds like your high level plays arent working out too well.

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Please. I've had AK beat 4 times and high pairs beaten twice.

[bestcellar]

*sigh* definitely not my night though....oh well

[nsj]

My best rebuy experiences have been to always start with a 3K stack (Stars), plays lots of coordinated hands, and push big draws. Pair that with solid poker, and I usually have a nice stack heading into hour 2. Thereafter, LAG it up, as there's a tendency immediately after the rebuy to tighten up significantly, and you can take advantage of that. By hour 3, good poker is the best recipe.

[luggyfugger]

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Please. I've had AK beat 4 times and high pairs beaten twice.

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Maybe the the four AK's were coinflips, but the "high pairs" weren't. You were either behind or you weren't. - lol

[beeyjay]

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The buy-in shouldn't affect how you play poker.



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i just got dumber by reading this

[bestcellar]

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Please. I've had AK beat 4 times and high pairs beaten twice.

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Maybe the the four AK's were coinflips, but the "high pairs" weren't. You were either behind or you weren't. - lol

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Dude....QQ vs. AK. JJ vs. AQ. How do you define coinflip again?

[bestcellar]

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The buy-in shouldn't affect how you play poker.



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i just got dumber by reading this

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Mission accomplished, then