$55s - Getting Aggro With 88 and J9 [Archive]

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Unarmed

05-31-2005, 10:34 PM

This is perfectly standard for me, but perhaps someone will find these interesting.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t615)
MP3 (t1090)
CO (t895)
Button (t905)
SB (t975)
BB (t925)
Hero (t960)
UTG+1 (t1010)
MP1 (t2625)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls t30, 1 fold, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP3 raises to t60, 2 folds, SB calls t45, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, MP1 calls t30.

Flop: (t270) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets t30, MP3 raises to t60, SB folds, Hero raises to t200, MP1 calls t170, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t730) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP1 gets my stack rammed down his throat and thinks it over for awhile.

Final Pot: t730

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t975)
Button (t955)
Hero (t715)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1145)
UTG+1 (t985)
MP1 (t945)
MP2 (t975)
MP3 (t2305)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP3 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t60) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets t30, MP3 calls t30, Hero raises to t120, BB folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls t90.

Turn: (t330) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP3 eats my stack for breakfast.

MrX

05-31-2005, 10:45 PM

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Turn: (t730) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP1 gets my stack rammed down his throat and thinks it over for awhile.

Turn: (t330) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP3 eats my stack for breakfast.

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I love the new upgades to the hand converter.

X

Unarmed

06-01-2005, 09:16 AM

I'll send you the patch /images/graemlins/grin.gif

durron597

06-01-2005, 09:30 AM

Not sure what I would do differently, but you give yourself no chance to figure out if you're behind. Certainly all hands that beat yours call.

lutefisk

06-01-2005, 09:32 AM

This may simply be too weak, but here's what I think;

First hand, I fold to the raise pf, and fold on the flop. Against only one bet, or if checked to, I'd like the raise. Being the third to act, and third to put money in, I don't think I could do it. When called, I'd really be worried.
Second hand, I like, up til the part where he calls you on the flop. That bites. Hopefully you've got some read on this guy because that could make all the difference. My guess is that he folded. If he's on the tighter side I think he'd have to have an awful good hand to call you, so I guess that means I agree with your push. If he's looser, two problems, A) he's more likely to have called with hands that have you in trouble, JT, QJ, KJ... B) he's ALSO more likely to make this tough call with said marginal hands. I don't think I'd put the tourney on the line here against someone I thought to be on the loose side. My 2c.

"Only after the 10th punch will you see the fist, and only after the 20th will you block it." --Proverb from the game of Go

Unarmed

06-01-2005, 09:52 AM

Hand 1 - Folding to the min-raise PF is pretty weak. MP1 min bets the flop, which generally means draw, crappy pair, etc. He could have a monster trying to provoke PF raiser to come over the top but I doubt it. When PF raiser min-raises he has nothing. Note: if MP1 reraises me here after min-betting I will fold. After I'm just called he's drawing 90% of the time so I push. There is no other play on this turn once I've taken the lead on the flop.

Hand 2 - A min-bet on a co-ordinated board and a call? I might make this raise with nothing... The turn is somewhat debateable as the T9 OESD just came in, but his most likely holding is a two hearts.

Note, these turn pushes are in no way bluffs. I'm not trying to force off a better hand, I'm trying to get a dumb call from a draw and insuring myself that I don't have to make a tough river decision if a scare card comes.

swarm

06-01-2005, 10:13 AM

Hand 1 was well played, if he has a higher overpair like 10's he's pushing on you after your check-raise on the flop.

Hand 2 is a little more debateable but given your stack size I think you can advocate pushing the turn, the pot is good enough size to take down.

I play this type of stuff as well, I think they are necessary skills for play in the 55's and over, you have to start thinking out of the box a bit.

adanthar

06-01-2005, 10:47 AM

1)Fine

2)I'm betting this out. Having CR'd, I like the push given the turn card, but if it were a 2 of clubs it would change things.

Unarmed

06-01-2005, 10:51 AM

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2)I'm betting this out.

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If flat called things are groovy but you're opening yourself up to a semi-bluff raise. Do you not see this line enough to bother worrying about it?

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Having CR'd, I like the push given the turn card, but if it were a 2 of clubs it would change things.

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How? I hate tough river decisions so if I'm betting here, its a push. What would you do if the 2 /images/graemlins/club.gif fell and why?

NYCNative

06-01-2005, 11:11 AM

HAND ONE - I am temped to reraise because I hate minraisers, but I probably just seeth and call. I like how you played it after that, however. I'm kind of surprised at this since so many people here play so weak-tight with small pairs early in SNGs.

HAND TWO - I like it although I wonder how you would have handled it if someone went over the top of your flop raise. Because if I have AJ, that's what I do there if I'm villain.

Unarmed

06-01-2005, 11:21 AM

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I like it although I wonder how you would have handled it if someone went over the top of your flop raise.

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Easy fold.

Karak567

06-01-2005, 11:22 AM

I like the first hand a lot, I think people often only play these medium PPs for set value only and in a tight game like a 55 I think this is wrong.

Second hand - eh I am a little wary of AJ or a set here. I like a check/call behind, but taking the lead in the betting is maybe something I should do.

adanthar

06-01-2005, 11:26 AM

1)Don't care, flush draw not around or aggro often enough, etc. I bet out tons of stuff anyhow.

2)You're both semibluffing with extra outs and preventing the occasional 6 (namely A /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif or 86) from drawing.

When the 2 hits, you're ahead of a flush draw and behind most of his other potential hands. I will often check and call a reasonable bet (for when A8 gets frisky) but fold to a big one. The times I give a free card to a flush draw are outweighed by the QJ's that won't fold to a push anyway.