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ZeeJustin
05-31-2005, 06:04 PM
MP2 is a solid winning 18/4.5 player. He plays well in a straightforward manner after the flop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

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UTG+1 ($1903.75)
UTG+2 ($1047)
MP1 ($945)
MP2 ($1019)
MP3 ($1061.25)
CO ($1485.75)
Button ($985)
SB ($1216)
Hero ($1267)
UTG ($1316.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $10, MP3 calls $10, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($50) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $90</font>, MP3 calls $90, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $250</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises all-in [$919]</font>,MP3 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $1396

MP2 wins $1396.
fsuplayer
05-31-2005, 06:14 PM
ummm....good job???

anything but a fold would be pretty terrible here against this type of player.
edge
05-31-2005, 06:15 PM
A set and AcJc are both quite possible here. Q8 is out, so you're putting him on exactly KQ. I think you'll see a set here often enough to call.
ZeeJustin
05-31-2005, 06:21 PM
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ummm....good job???

anything but a fold would be pretty terrible here against this type of player.

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Is this an exageration? It's not like I know I'm behind by any stretch of the imagination.
fsuplayer
05-31-2005, 06:34 PM
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ummm....good job???

anything but a fold would be pretty terrible here against this type of player.

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Is this an exageration? It's not like I know I'm behind by any stretch of the imagination.

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id say, given your description and the fact that he put in the 4th bet all in on this board, you are drawing dead more than 60% of the time, maybe higher. and anything he has that doesnt currently have you dead, has a bunch of outs to beat you.

seems like an easy fold, thats all.
stealyourface
05-31-2005, 06:37 PM
i think hes got 7-8
Prevaricator
05-31-2005, 06:46 PM
I like the fold. I dont see a straightforward player pushing with less than KQ after you raise him. MP3 check coldcalls so its more likely he has the draw than MP2. If he made that play with a set then good for him, but I doubt it. Even his set is live too but if you are wrong then youre dead. Does he raise JJ or TT (or 99) preflop too after limpers in mid pos, cause that also limits the amount of sets he has.
edge
05-31-2005, 06:51 PM
How do you think he plays a set here? He could have any of the three, given his 4.5 PFR. Maybe this is just a math problem?
ZeeJustin
05-31-2005, 06:56 PM
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How do you think he plays a set here? He could have any of the three, given his 4.5 PFR. Maybe this is just a math problem?

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I agree that postflop he would play the same way with a set. Preflop however, he would prolly raise 99-JJ there some of the time, but not all the time, so it seems like KQ is more likely than a set. AJcc is also a possibility still.
Prevaricator
05-31-2005, 07:05 PM
DO you see him move all in on draw heavy boards a lot? If no then I don't see clubs as a possibility and probably not a set either although maybe not. The pf stats only have some relation to postflop play.
chuddo
05-31-2005, 07:16 PM
you are 64-36 against a set and AcJc.

you are a slight dog to QcJc.

you are drawing practically dead against KQ.

clear fold. in other news someone raised and re-raised and i folded Q4o from the sb.
Rounder9999
05-31-2005, 07:21 PM
Not entirely sure how much of a difference there is between the full ring games and the 6 handed 5/10 NL games on Party, but as a frequent player on the 5/10 6 Handed tables, a call here would not be terrible, which was somewhat previously established. I encountered a hand similiar to this two days ago on a 5/10 6H table on Party, (I flopped ignorant ended straight on a board with a four flush), and my oppenent pushed an approx 80 BB stack w/ TPTK, no matching suits with the board. Obviously images and player reads were a big factor, but I just see too many ridiculous plays like that at the 6 handed tables I honestly cannot say I would fold.