AA - push here after lots of callers pre-flop?

[Karak567]

Should I have thrown out a bigger raise PF... say to like 100?

Bet less on the flop to extract value?

I saw a drawing board, so I wanted to get drawing hands out of there. If I made a pot sized bet and the first one or two called it, odds are good for the last couple to act.

Think I am right with my move here? It screamed AA.

***** Hand History for Game 2134717516 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:12695484 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, May 31, 16:44:47 EDT 2005
Table Table 13791 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 10: sepher28 ( $935 )
Seat 5: mr_bing9 ( $815 )
Seat 4: hamptons ( $685 )
Seat 1: Sevenonem ( $850 )
Seat 7: hutchoo ( $950 )
Seat 9: iliam ( $625 )
Seat 3: LndoCalrisan ( $1630 )
Seat 2: Vrooooom ( $415 )
Seat 8: Bhop37 ( $1095 )
Trny:12695484 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ Ah Ad ]
>You have options at Table 14249 Table!.
Vrooooom folds.
LndoCalrisan folds.
hamptons folds.
mr_bing9 folds.
hutchoo calls [15].
Bhop37 calls [15].
iliam calls [15].
sepher28 raises [70].
Sevenonem calls [65].
hutchoo calls [65].
Bhop37 calls [65].
iliam folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 9s, Qd ]
>You have options at Table 14249 Table!.
sepher28 is all-In [855]

[chisness]

I'd raise pre to the 90-100 range, maybe even a bit more.

Once you make that raise and get that many callers, I like the all in on the flop as well. In these structured tourneys, a bet on the flop that's called, then a scare card hitting, like a Q, T, or J is gonna have not only made you throw away at least 1/4 of your chips, but also be in a very bad spot.

With only 1-2 callers, a committing, but not all in bet would probably be better.

[Shilly]

The rule of thumb for preflop raising is 3-4xBB, plus 1BB for every limper. So a raise to about 100 should be appropriate here. I don't think you're going to lay down AA on this flop, but I think pushing is a little too strong. Just make a pot-sized bet, call a push, and push the turn if you get called.

[jgunnip]

I have an extremely hard time getting away from AA in the early levels, and all levels for that matter, but especially the early ones where I almost always get all my chips in the middle. The pot here is t335, I'll take it and push the flop. I'll get called often with Qx, and occasionally with a hand that beats me but oh well.

The ol' preflop raising forumla dictates that this should have been a t135 raise so maybe a PFR to t100-125 would have been better. More or less, they are all just as likely to call that raise as they are your raise to t80. But then again, it might scare them all away too and that would pretty much just suck.

[spentrent]

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Should I have thrown out a bigger raise PF... say to like 100?

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With that many callers in front I'd make it 125 or so. You'll get donkey callers.

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Bet less on the flop to extract value?

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With that many people seeing the flop I don't want to let someone get decent odds to call. The pot's good right now. However, I don't think you need to overbet the pot. A pot-sized bet should be suitable to either take the pot or get a call/raise from a pair of queens.

[chisness]

125 is a good point. Often once you raise to a moderate amount like 90 and one person calls, all the others follow what the first person does.

[jgunnip]

If you are talking about this rule of thumb (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=&Number=1373937&page=& view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=) then the formula is 3xBB + 2n(BB) where n is the number of limpers.