AKs with the worst river, $33 hand

[BDarch]

***** Hand History for Game 2134628960 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12695161 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, May 31, 16:22:33 EDT 2005
Table Table 11068 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jaminator24 ( $740 )
Seat 2: catmandew2 ( $1045 )
Seat 3: BDarch ( $800 )
Seat 4: ketran ( $800 )
Seat 5: Blackiani ( $740 )
Seat 6: devo32 ( $800 )
Seat 7: J2Lagge ( $785 )
Seat 8: magoo56 ( $630 )
Seat 9: Waymire_27 ( $785 )
Seat 10: landm331 ( $875 )
Trny:12695161 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BDarch [ Kd Ad ]
ketran folds.
Blackiani folds.
devo32 folds.
J2Lagge folds.
magoo56 folds.
Waymire_27 folds.
landm331 folds.
jaminator24 folds.
catmandew2 calls [5].
BDarch raises [45].
catmandew2 calls [45].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, 9h, 5d ]
catmandew2 checks.
BDarch bets [90].
catmandew2 calls [90].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
catmandew2 checks.
BDarch bets [200].
catmandew2 calls [200].
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
catmandew2 is all-In [695]
>You have options at Table 12062 Table!.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
BDarch will be using his time bank for this hand.
BDarch ????

[Unarmed]

Folds.

[adanthar]

Calls, because this is a bluff over 33% of the time.

[Bigwig]

[ QUOTE ]
Calls, because this is a bluff over 33% of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I'm calling here.

[BDarch]

normally I would call here but I've been going through a really bad and have been trying to fix some leaks. I thought maybe a call in this situation might be one of my leaks.

[Unarmed]

[ QUOTE ]
Calls, because this is a bluff over 33% of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]

What? If there's an OESD on the flop at least I can put Villain on something that would check/call two streets and then push the heart with air, but what sort of hand is bluffing here? If Villain has a made hand why is he turning up the heat now?

[adanthar]

A bluff is a weird term to use but, for instance, I am playing any ace in SB's spot exactly like this very often.

[KingDan]

I'd call. IMO you are going to see desperation bluffs and garbage two pair here a lot.

[Unarmed]

Hi adanthar,

Do you mind explaining why you would play any ace in that manner? Trying to get a donkey to make a tough laydown isn't something I'm in the habit of doing all that often. (if ever)

If you're valuing calling the flop with an ace, fine, BB certainly doesn't need an ace to make that bet, but you have to know you're dominated after the large turn bet, no? Given that information, you can't call the turn as you only win one of two ways: 1) spike your kicker and stack BB, or 2) force him off when the flush card hits.

2) alone doesn't justify the call even if he folds every time a heart hits and I don't think you're deep enough for 1) to make up the difference.

What am I missing? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

BTW I push this turn to avoid a tough river decision so don't try that ish against me! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[BDarch]

What about the way that I played the hand before the river, would anyone do anything differently and why?

[adanthar]

[ QUOTE ]
Do you mind explaining why you would play any ace in that manner? Trying to get a donkey to make a tough laydown isn't something I'm in the habit of doing all that often. (if ever)

[/ QUOTE ]

Who said anything about playing it this way against a donkey?

[Unarmed]

Ok, well I'd be curious why you'd be doing this against any type of opponent. I'm not trying to be an @ss here, I would just never play Ax that way so I'd like to learn something new. If you want to keep the thought process to yourself, I completely understand.

Say your opponent is weak/tight, has AK here and will lay it down every single time the river drops a heart. He will also donate his stack to you every time your kicker appears on the river, but he will stack you off with two pair versus your smaller two pair. I still don't see how this play makes sense given you're only getting 2.35-1 on the turn call.

[Vee Quiva]

It's too early to be playing for your entire stack. Lay it down and curse your rotten luck.
Personally your opponent played this exactly how I would play a set. I think you're beat. Even if you are not, you still have enough chips to get back in the game if you lay down the best hand.

[adanthar]

Because against a lot of particular types of opponents, in addition to possible bluff outs, there's also a substantial chance that I have the best hand.