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[Rev. Good Will]

SB just sat down last hand

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (15 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font>

flop bet good? what's my line from here?

[istewart]

First off: gay thread title /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Secondly, I'm checking the flop.

[atnels]

What's your reasoning for betting the flop? It might be OK or it might not be.

[davelin]

No. Call.

[Bodhi]

Hero calls. The pot is big.

If the turn is a blank you will make a crying call to try to spike a K or Q because the pot is huge.

If the turn is a spade:
1) The sb bets, you raise to knock out MP3 just in case you spike a K or Q (I don't know what the SB has and I don't care much at this point).
2) The sb checks again, you bet and call another donk-check-raise.

If the turn is a K or Q:
1) The sb bets, you raise. If you're 3-bet, you still have to call down in this large pot.
2) The sb checks, you bet and call another donk-check-raise.

Another player beside the sb check-raises the turn:
1) Duh, he has a Jack, and you fold.

Seriously, this pot is going to get so massive that I can't see not continuing on for the small chance of winning it.

[Bodhi]

To make opponents fold.

[davelin]

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To make opponents fold.

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Getting 1:16?

[Rev. Good Will]

I couldn't think of too many 3-betting PF hands that could beat me here (cept AJs or JJ) [EDIT - Thought this after he already checked, didn't think any high PP]

My over outs couldn't be too clean, and I had somewhat of a draw for the BDF and BDS... maybe 3 outs total for my overs, and Jebus says(RE: Miller) I have ~2 outs total for my backdoor draws, giving me 5 total, or 1:8.4 outs.

Granted, I didn't do that on my spot, but I figured I had a decent amount of outs for a pot of that size. So, that combined with the fact that the pot was friggen huge, I wanted to take a stab at it.

[istewart]

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I couldn't think of too many 3-betting PF hands that could beat me here (cept AJs or JJ).


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Nearly every hand that someone would 3-bet out of the blinds with has KQo beat.

[droolie]

With 5 players seeing this flop I'm trying to take a free card here. I'm really not loving my hand right now against a pf 3-better out of the SB. The SB C/R was somewhat predictable and would be very welcome if we had a better hand than we currently have. As it stands we have very dirty overcards and a couple backdoors. Check it.

[davelin]

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I couldn't think of too many 3-betting PF hands that could beat me here (cept AJs or JJ).


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Nearly every hand that someone would 3-bet out of the blinds with has KQo beat.

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Good thing we don't have KQo here.

[Brice]

I would have checked the flop with the intention of only putting in one bet. I made that same mistake last night. I still had the right odds for a runner-runner flush but I wish I could have seen the turn for cheaper.

I would pin the SB on a strong hand with the three-bet pre-flop. You may even be drawing dead at this point.

[aK13]

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I couldn't think of too many 3-betting PF hands that could beat me here (cept AJs or JJ).


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Nearly every hand that someone would 3-bet out of the blinds with has KQo beat.

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3 betting hands are:

TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK, AQ

You're smashed by every one.

[Bodhi]

If it totally missed them, someone will fold.

[davelin]

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If it totally missed them, someone will fold.

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Does folding out 27o really increase our chances of winning?

[istewart]

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I couldn't think of too many 3-betting PF hands that could beat me here (cept AJs or JJ).


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Nearly every hand that someone would 3-bet out of the blinds with has KQo beat.

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Good thing we don't have KQo here.

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Nit.

[aK13]

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If it totally missed them, someone will fold.

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The preflop 3bettor raised your ass, he ain't going nowhere.

EDIT: and as davelin said, you don't mind if 7 high calls...

[Bodhi]

Or any other number of crappy hands, yes, not by much, but maybe .5-1%. I don't conserve bets in pots this size.

[davelin]

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Or any other number of crappy hands, yes, not by much, but maybe .5-1%. I don't conserve bets in pots this size.

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You're spending about 5% of the pot (and opening yourself to a raise) in order to fold out someone that needs runner-runner or something just as improbable? A bet on the flop here is spewing, we're drawing here, not betting a made hand.

[Nick Royale]

As the rest of the posters I think this flop bet stinks. But what I really hope is that " <font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font> " doesn't mean what it could... (hint: 3-bet)

[Rev. Good Will]

Its out of habit, but I always highlight hero...

<font color="#CC3333">it's not that hard...

[Nick Royale]

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Its out of habit, but I always highlight hero...

<font color="#CC3333">it's not that hard... </font>

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It's good for deception purposes.

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what's my line from here?

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Call fold the turn UI.