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gcDanno

05-31-2005, 01:30 PM

Finished 8th on Sunday night. The following are a few of the 42 hands I was dealt. Final hand just hoping to steal. Oh well... Comments please.

These are the main 2 that beat me... but there are a few others that I'm sure i could have played differently. Please use the link ( http://www.danina.net/ft_hands.txt ) to see the complete text of hands.

I have played very tight thus far, only involved in 2 hands so far out of 30. In this hand, the villian had just lost a bunch of chips. Maybe he was tilt. I didn't want to find out. Should I have folded preflop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60000 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button (t589592)
SB (t1135758)
BB (t1115866)
UTG (t319477)
UTG+1 (t535456)
Hero (t709813)
MP2 (t439836)
CO (t2631702)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to t203000, 2 folds, Button raises to t589592, 2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t810592

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Button wins t615796. UTG wins t194796. 

My bust out hand. I felt I need some chips, and was time to take a shot. Nuts!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60000 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t582592)
BB (t1084758)
UTG (t1472866)
UTG+1 (t701954)
MP1 (t424456)
Hero (t398813)
CO (t328836)
Button (t2483225)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to t395813, 1 fold, Button calls t395813, 2 folds.

Flop: (t812626) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Turn: (t812626) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

River: (t812626) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t812626

Results in white below: 
Hero has 6s Ad (high card, ace).
Button has As Qh (high card, ace).
Outcome: Button wins t812626.

durron597

05-31-2005, 02:04 PM

I was sweating you for awhile, so I have some idea of reads for these players. Can you post or PM me the username of the Button in both hands?

Edit: actually would it be possible for you to PM the unconverted hands? And it seems that the converter screwed up in hand 1 because it doesn't say what's going on with UTG.

dmk

05-31-2005, 02:06 PM

Just out of curiousity, why the large raise in hand 1? Was that the standard?

gcDanno

05-31-2005, 02:12 PM

After I posted the raise, I was curious why i bet so much also. It was 4 in the morning (I'm an east coaster), and was obviously tired. This was the same bet I had seen a few others use that went uncalled. In retrospect, it was not a good raise amount. I should have raised it to 140k. Funny thing is a had raised a few hands before the same raise with KK in EP, and it was passed out.

I think it was the right thing to fold though to the pusher.

gcDanno

05-31-2005, 02:15 PM

Click the link to view the entire final table history. This one was hand #413.

Thanks for watching... any thoughts on how I could have done better than 8th.

bruce

05-31-2005, 02:31 PM

It's look to me like your logic is fuzzy. You fold AJ after being reraised and then you go all in with A6. There aren't too many hands I'm going to fold when I'm getting 3:1 on my call. I think you have an easy call with your AJ. If your going to fold to a reraise than make a smaller opening raise. With your precarious chip position if you open raise
you need to have a backup plan if called or reraise.

Bruce

durron597

05-31-2005, 02:42 PM

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Click the link to view the entire final table history. This one was hand #413.

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I'm a tard. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Thanks for watching... any thoughts on how I could have done better than 8th.

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Hand 1: The button in this hand was playing tighter than you were. I was watching this tournament from 2 tables until you busted...easy fold. And raise less preflop.

Hand 2: It really sucks with this Button near you on the left, he was willing to gamble and had the chips to do it with. Though I think it was possible here to wait for the other players to bust each other out. The problem with pushing with weak aces is that you are likely a 70% dog or more when called (mid PPs, Ax where x > your weak kicker). 87s actually does better against stronger hands than Ax does unless they are willing to call with their own suited connectors or Kx.

Other hands? Well here are two possible missed steal attempts:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40000 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1184592)
Button (t830210)
SB (t1337866)
BB (t590477)
UTG (t426276)
UTG+1 (t180364)
Hero (t780813)
MP2 (t529836)
MP3 (t1617066)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
6 folds,

and

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40000 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1054592)
BB (t1457486)
UTG (t1255866)
UTG+1 (t360477)
MP1 (t282728)
Hero (t786813)
CO (t630836)
Button (t1648702)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
5 folds,

Resteal here? I doubt it but throwing it out there.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40000 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t1100592)
MP1 (t1303486)
MP2 (t1301866)
CO (t250477)
Button (t212728)
Hero (t736813)
BB (t620836)
UTG (t1950702)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, MP1 raises to t202000, 5 folds.

Final Pot: t216000

Raise less. In this and all your hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60000 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1027592)
CO (t1099758)
Button (t1133866)
SB (t253477)
BB (t643456)
Hero (t703813)
UTG+1 (t547836)
MP1 (t2067702)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises to t203000, 7 folds.

Final Pot: t224000

Try to steal here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60000 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t952592)
BB (t1198758)
UTG (t1118866)
UTG+1 (t322477)
MP1 (t538456)
Hero (t712813)
CO (t442836)
Button (t2190702)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
5 folds,

gcDanno

05-31-2005, 05:30 PM

Who else agrees with Durron that I should be playing the hands he listed? I absolutely agree I should be raising only about 2.2x the blinds. But what about these hands? Should I have gambled more? I was hoping for the smaller stacks to bust themselves before having to gamble too much, but they kept doubling up. Was I just too tight to give myself a chance to win it? Should I have been more patient than 42 hands to get some good hands?

Thanks,
gc

bruce

05-31-2005, 05:41 PM

If you only played 2 out of 30 hands you played too tightly. You can raise with any two cards as long as your position is good and you are up against blinds who will cooperate. The two
hands posted that you passed on certainly would qualify as good steal situations. It really makes no difference what you have if everyone folds.

Bruce

durron597

05-31-2005, 05:41 PM

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Who else agrees with Durron that I should be playing the hands he listed? I absolutely agree I should be raising only about 2.2x the blinds. But what about these hands? Should I have gambled more? I was hoping for the smaller stacks to bust themselves before having to gamble too much, but they kept doubling up. Was I just too tight to give myself a chance to win it? Should I have been more patient than 42 hands to get some good hands?

Thanks,
gc

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IMO the only big mistakes are the QTs hand and the fact that your standard raise was much too big. The other three hands are ok folds, I was just throwing them out there as possible missed steal/resteal attempts looking for other opinions.

As far as raise size goes, I think 2.2 is too small (there are antes). 2.5-2.75 is about right. 3.3 is too high.

Edit: also realize that if you want your good hands to have action you have to be looser than 30% VP$IP. Don't turn your good hands into 72o by everyone thinking "he raises once per three orbits, let's let him blind off".