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HoldingFolding
05-30-2005, 09:18 PM
I've been card dead since before the battle of Agincourt, my opponents have played solidy and made chips with good hands. I'd swore I'd go all in next time I saw a face. Then this hand came up. A slim chance to triple up and get something other than 3rd or does that called raise mean the big stacks might go at it?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t4490)
Hero (t660)
Button (t2850)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t600</font>, SB calls t450, Hero ????

xLukex
05-30-2005, 09:21 PM
You have no stack. Push!

splashpot
05-30-2005, 09:22 PM
I'd push. It's highly doubtful that the Button will be eliminated this hand. If you fold, you're left with 330 which essentially forces you to be all in next hand with the small blind. You can't wait for a chance to make everyone fold since you have zero fold equity. Just push now and hope to flop a Q or J and hopefully triple up.

Eric Draven
05-30-2005, 09:24 PM
You have less than 3 Big Blinds... I'd insta-call, then again I play on Stars so I'm not really qualified to give good answers..

wuwei
05-30-2005, 10:04 PM
Look at how small your stack is and the odds you're getting on your chips. Get them in there quickly and hope for the best.

Bigwig
05-30-2005, 10:09 PM
Yes, go all-in.

lastchance
05-30-2005, 10:13 PM
You're getting 5:1. Instapush, or even better, call and all-in on any flop, hoping to fold button.

splashpot
05-30-2005, 10:19 PM
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You're getting 5:1. Instapush, or even better, call and all-in on any flop, hoping to fold button.

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LOL. I wouldn't get your hopes up if you're trying to make anyone fold a 1800 pot to a 60 bet.

HoldingFolding
05-30-2005, 10:19 PM
I think my original post lacked information (apologies). To date steals had been 3x blinds, button's raise looked very suspicious, he was also over-aggressive, I thought SB's call meant he had a very strong hand. I thought the Button played this really badly, but I thanked him politely for the case of beer he'd just bought me.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t4490)
Hero (t660)
Button (t2850)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t600</font>, SB calls t450, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t1500) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t700</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t3890 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t1550 (All-In).

Turn: (t7640) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t7640) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t7640

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Ac Kd (high card, ace).
Button has Jd As (high card, ace).
Outcome: SB wins t7640. </font>

splashpot
05-30-2005, 10:21 PM
It really doesn't matter what the other two have. You're stack is so small that I'd call with almost any 2. They could tell me what they had and I'd still call. You got really lucky that the button went all in. He's an idiot. He could have almost guaranteed 2nd if he didn't. Even so, can't be results orientated. I still call preflop.

Eric Draven
05-30-2005, 10:36 PM
The read makes it a little more closer, but I'd still call. The odds of the button busting on that hand were very narrow (he was an idiot), and I'm pretty sure you'd triple up more often than have some one bust out before your forced all-in.

adanthar
05-30-2005, 10:42 PM
Boy, you guys really missed this one.

The correct play is to CALL, not push, and this hand should clearly point out why.

edit: good, some people got it. that's what I get for skimming

lastchance
05-30-2005, 10:44 PM
Even if you're dominated like that, you should still call given your huge odds. And yes, on that board, you can get button to fold a hand because he's afraid of SB raising behind him. If you get Button to fold 73o, it's good, not bad.

Eric Draven
05-30-2005, 10:49 PM
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You're getting 5:1. Instapush, or even better, call and all-in on any flop, hoping to fold button.

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LOL. I wouldn't get your hopes up if you're trying to make anyone fold a 1800 pot to a 60 bet.

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Of course you shouldn't expect a fold, but as pointed out in a lengthly thread not that long ago, you gain +EV, no matter how small you should never give that up.

(Actually I think there are situations where your better off pushing, but this is not one of those rare cases)

TWINUNO
05-30-2005, 10:54 PM
push it.....!