Party Disconnect Abuse - What do I do?

[TomCollins]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($528.4)
UTG ($456.2)
MP ($0)
CO ($576.63)
Hero ($467)
SB ($156)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB (poster) calls $10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($28) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $30</font>, Hero calls $15.

Turn: ($88) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $35</font>, Hero calls $35.

River: ($158) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $175</font>.

Final Pot: $333
Villain here disconnects right after I make my river bet.


So obvious he disconnected on the river bet. I emailed abuse@partypoker.com, should I expect anything?

[boedeker]

fold preflop.

[Yeti]

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I emailed abuse@partypoker.com, should I expect anything?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, an email, soonish.

[Rotating Rabbit]

This isnt exactly a big decision sb has to make. You're betting 75 at him into a pot of 160 ! There've gotta be better spots than this to disconnect.

[TomCollins]

Anything is possible. For a short stack specialist taking a shot, this might be somewhere he doesn't want to get bluffed. Just smells fishy, seems worthy of having Party figure out if hes done this in the past, and if so, bring on the hammer.

[Yeti]

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This isnt exactly a big decision sb has to make. You're betting 75 at him into a pot of 160 ! There've gotta be better spots than this to disconnect.

[/ QUOTE ]

$175. But I agree, I've seen more blatant examples.

[Neurotoxin]

I wouldn't expect anything other than a form letter about how theres no history of him doing it. It's so crystal clear that "disconnect protects" are horribly abused yet they continue to allow them, even at $1000nl. I think a great strategy would be to have a fake bad connection and pull the plug periodically in benign situations to mask your cheating, they'd never detect the "pattern" they always say they look for.

[Yeti]

I'm 2 for 2 for getting it taken off them, as is someone else who posted in my other thread.

[TomCollins]

So they lose their disconnect... Does anything else happen?

[greg nice]

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$175. But I agree, I've seen more blatant examples.

[/ QUOTE ]

hes a short stack with only $75 left.

but yes, party will remove it if they have a history. ive gotten it removed from people a few times.

[Yeti]

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So they lose their disconnect... Does anything else happen?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope.

Cheers Greg, good spot.

[fsuplayer]

I had someone disconnect on me today and was freakin pissed.

I emailed abuse@partypoker.com and within an hour or so, i got this response:

Dear Mike,

Thank you for contacting us.

We appreciate you taking the time to report situations of alleged
Disconnect Protection abuse at partypoker.com.

Starting with the hand that you sent to us, we performed an
investigation that would allow us to examine thoroughly the account in question
"ULikeMyNuts".

We have looked into the players records and collected all previous
hands in which this player used the protection. Our goal was to look for a
pattern where the player usually disconnects in key moments.

Some of the parameters we use when investigating possible protection
abuse:

* The player's cards at the time of disconnection.
* The player's previous action (whether he was betting / raising) and
also the actions of the other players at the time of disconnection.
* The benefit obtained by a player disconnecting
* The timing of disconnection A players pattern of disconnections
Previous allegations made by other players and/or the system

Using the information listed above we have investigated the history of
the player thoroughly and have found that not only was the hand you
reported suspicious but this player has shown a pattern of suspicious
disconnects in the past. Based on this information we have taken away the
disconnect protection privilege for this player. In the event he is
disconnected in the future his hand will be folded. We have sent an
email to the player informing him of the investigation.

We thank you for taking the time to report your suspicions. Keeping
the games honest is our highest priority. If you need any clarifications
or have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact us. We
will be more than happy to assist you.

Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you
with your account related questions and suggestions.

Sincerely,

Karthik B
Investigations Team
alerts@partypoker.com




and it felt great!

help stop the cheaters, keep reporting these guys.

[Yeti]

nh

[dtbog]

[ QUOTE ]
we performed an
investigation that would allow us to examine thoroughly the account in question
"ULikeMyNuts".

[/ QUOTE ]

Now.. did you just edit this in, or was that really the guy's name? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-dB

[fsuplayer]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
we performed an
investigation that would allow us to examine thoroughly the account in question
"ULikeMyNuts".

[/ QUOTE ]

Now.. did you just edit this in, or was that really the guy's name? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-dB

[/ QUOTE ]

thats really his name.

[edge]

I was 3 for 3, but now I'm 3 for 5 (the two I failed on were really obvious pulls, but I won both pots). I think it would be a lot better to just trash disconnect protect for everyone, along with observer chat.

[BobboFitos]

[ QUOTE ]
I was 3 for 3, but now I'm 3 for 5 (the two I failed on were really obvious pulls, but I won both pots). I think it would be a lot better to just trash disconnect protect for everyone, along with observer chat.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can just ignore observer chat... does it really bother you that much?

[meow_meow]

[ QUOTE ]
I was 3 for 3, but now I'm 3 for 5 (the two I failed on were really obvious pulls, but I won both pots). I think it would be a lot better to just trash disconnect protect for everyone, along with observer chat.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm 3 for 3, and was starting to assume that they automatically send that letter, without even looking into it, just to satisfy the complainant. It's actually good to hear that they really do some kind of investigation.

We need to keep doing this every time - the next pot you save may be your own.

[fsuplayer]

[ QUOTE ]
the next pot you save may be your own.


[/ QUOTE ]

this sounds like an awareness campaign.

[Leptyne]

Always report anything that looks suspicious. As you will see when you get your e-mail from Party they do a thouough investigation. Even if this is an honest disconnect it will go in the players file and be examined again when future disconnects are reported for the player.

[edge]

Bumping an old thread, but this is getting ridiculous. I just sent an e-mail to abuse@partypoker.com that basically said that disconnect protect has no place in online no-limit. It would be great if all of you who read this could send an e-mail as well. Make sure you include what stakes you play and how many tables (maybe they'll be more inclined to listen to high-volume players). Let's try to get disconnect protect removed, because it's really stupid. It's a huge advantage to those who use it, even if only once every 10k hands.

[captZEEbo1]

A general question about disconnect protect, didn't there used to be tables that had "no disconnect protect" for them?

[Rotating Rabbit]

This is a great idea !

[captZEEbo1]

Dear Hero,

We appreciate you taking the time to report situations of alleged Disconnect Protection abuse at empirepoker.com.

Starting with the hand that you sent to us, we performed an investigation that would allow us to examine thoroughly the account in question; Dardumbyu

We have looked into the players records and collected all previous hands in which this player used the protection. Our goal was to look for a pattern where the player usually disconnects in key moments.

Some of the parameters we use when investigating possible protection abuse:

* The player's cards at the time of disconnection.
* The player's previous action (whether he was betting / raising) and also the actions of the other players at the time of disconnection.
* The benefit obtained by a player disconnecting
* The timing of disconnection A players pattern of disconnections Previous allegations made by other players and/or the system

Using the information listed above we have investigated the history of the player thoroughly and have found that not only was the hand you reported suspicious but this player has shown a pattern of suspicious disconnects in the past. Based on this information we have taken away the disconnect protection privilege for this player. In the event he is disconnected in the future his hand will be folded. We have sent an email to the player informing him of the investigation.

We thank you for taking the time to report your suspicions. Keeping the games honest is our highest priority. If you need any clarifications or have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact us. We will be more than happy to assist you.

Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you with your account related questions and suggestions.

Sincerely,

David Roberts
Investigations Team
alerts@empirepoker.com
www.empirepoker.com (http://www.empirepoker.com)

--Original Message--
From: Hero@gmail.com
Date: 2005-06-12 06:17
To: alerts@empirepoker.com; alerts@partypoker.com
Subject: Disconnect protect abuse[#3103992]

Please review this disconnect protect abuse hand.

***** Hand History for Game 2194746890 *****
$1000 NL Hold'em - Sunday, June 12, 06:04:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 48721 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ( $835 )
Seat 2: Dardumbyu ( $1724 )
Seat 4: ( $1072.98 )
Seat 5: ( $720.12 )
Seat 6: ( $488.55 )
Seat 3: Hero ( $1000 )
Dardumbyu posts small blind [$5].
Hero posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks As ]
&gt;You have options at Table 30527 (6 max) Table!.
some folds,
Dardumbyu calls [$5].
Hero raises [$30].
Dardumbyu raises [$90].
&gt;You have options at Table 36770 (6 max) Table!.
&gt;You have options at Table 30527 (6 max) Table!.
&gt;You have options at Table 36770 (6 max) Table!.
Hero raises [$360].
&gt;You have options at Table 36770 (6 max) Table!.
&gt;You have options at Table 30527 (6 max) Table!.
Dardumbyu could not respond in time.(disconnected)
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 4h, 7c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
Hero: wow
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
Hero shows [ Ks, As ] a pair of aces.
Dardumbyu doesn't show [ Jh, Jc ] a pair of jacks.
Hero wins $300 from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
Hero wins $198 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
you are an XXXXXXX
&gt;You have options at Table 36770 (6 max) Table!.

[Neurotoxin]

So where's the refund?

[captZEEbo1]

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So where's the refund?

[/ QUOTE ]

There is no refund, but if people keep banning players who abuse the policy, other innocent players won't keep having this done to them.

[kagame]

doesnt help me get the multiple thousand ive been screwed out of...